Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244563#Comment_118244563

I don't follow what your saying here would you mind rephrasing

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244563#Comment_118244563

The "time off work" issue is potentially a problem for sure, but I'd have thought that once the player signs a "contract" to play they'd be covered by the squad insurance policy. They'd probably have to take a medical , but the other risks would be factored into the Premium already I'd imagine.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244578#Comment_118244578

Your OP

Aside from props they'd be fine i could see props being an insurance issue. It'd be a hard boss wouldn't give you two weeks leave for the chance to play for munster.

Other players can pick up a season ending injury just as easily as a prop, look at RG Snyman as an example.

Companies hiring staff may well love the idea that they play/played for Munster but they will want them at work too. How many could afford to have staff on long term s/l due to picking a injury or even at best case scenario miss out on them for two weeks.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244592#Comment_118244592

Surely premiums are based on risks? I would suggest the risk of injury is greater for an AIL player playing against a team of professionals than pro v pro or amateur v amateur. I would also think Munster would have to clarify this with their insurer before registering an amateur player on a short term contract.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244530#Comment_118244530

Planes are rife for the spead of Covid and many other illnesses, if only for the relatively short distances between people and in this case at least, the length of time spent in relative close proximity to people. All you want is one person who is in the transmission phase of the virus and you will have a number of cases.

As I said, I am not blaming the "plane" specificlly but any environment of that nature (rooms etc) that they would have been in for the past number of weeks.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244628#Comment_118244628

Scrummaging specifically I'd have thought would be a concern. We've seen munster players play ail recently so in general play I'd think it would be OK.

Just depends on the employer if it's not a small Company one guy missing is generally not the end of the world. If it is a small company its an outrageous marketing opportunity for them

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244645#Comment_118244645

Planes are rife for the spead of Covid

Where is the evidence of this?

sydthebeat

What are the chances of Rob kearney getting one last run out in red??

Eod100

Probably not relevant to bulk of squad but see PCR or antigen test required for entry from Friday

Akrasia

I've been reading through the EPCR laws, and cannot see anywhere in the rules that state the player has to be a human

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244655#Comment_118244655

He'd have to explain that his new wife that he's skipping the honeymoon to go play for the old enemy

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244648#Comment_118244648

Well you have a hooker and 5 other players besides the "props" you originally mentioned involved in scrums. Are they at less of a risk to injury than a prop?

Munster squad players playing for an AIL team in the AIL is 100% different from an AIL player playing against a fully stacked professional team.

It was always said you have less time and harder hits in a H/C game than you would have in the ProWhatever and you think there's no real risk for AIL players to come up to standard in a week.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244696#Comment_118244696

Ya props are at a higher risk in scrums than other positions. Neil cronin came up from ail and played pretty quickly as I think did joey carberry he went from contarf to leinster almost immediately and then played the all blacks only a few months later

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244696#Comment_118244696

Munster squad players playing for an AIL team in the AIL is 100% different from an AIL player playing against a fully stacked professional team.

I get the point you are making , but would the same not apply to an Academy player being brought up? - They are playing AIL almost exclusively.

As it stands right now , there's a pretty high chance that an Academy player could make their senior debut against Wasps either starting or off the bench.

Are the risks for them inherently any different to another AIL player being brought in ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244740#Comment_118244740

They'd be training in a professional setup I'd think would be the big difference still think high end AIL lads would be grand

TomsOnTheRoof

Someone call CJ

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225525#Comment_118225525

Up to last week SA only had a fraction of Irelands daily covid cases

Burkie1203

What's rob Kearney at these days ....

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243873#Comment_118243873

Its not the same for everyone because Munster were sent to SA for these games.

And you can go and get Fawked if you think cobbling together a teams from here there and everywhere has a right to represent Munster. That makes a mockery of a proud club with a great tradition. Its not a barbarians B team.

If the full team cant be fielded then you get a postponement / rearrange for the game and if thats refused then tell them to go fcuk themselves.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245047#Comment_118245047

IRFU own Munster. IRFU agreed to the URC

Munster got their slice of the cash as a result

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118243824#Comment_118243824

Its nothing to do with rent free.

Leinster, and other sides have two weeks in SA before a cup Knockout game assuming they make it.

What happens here and the covid situation may necessitate them keeping a european squad at home and sending a second string side on tour, making a mockery of the league.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245161#Comment_118245161

It certainly is rent free when it comes to you and leinster.

Its You and one other poster who are bringing them into this conversation when it's nothing to do with them at all.

You couldn't even make the above reply without mentioning them again, when it was completely unnecessary.

Rent free.....

UAEguy2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244696#Comment_118244696

I wouldnt be worried about the top AIL players atleast coming in and doing a job, I dont think they would be match winners or anything like that but could maybe do the job that's required.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245047#Comment_118245047

On behalf of the other Munster Fans on this forum, I'd like to say that I do not support this view at all.

If we can get emergency cover for those positions, and can field a team, Munster should play, and should give the wasps as competitive a match as we can given the circumstances, with the intention to beat them and keep our championship alive

mun1

So you cant mention Leinster in the munster thread or something, something, rent free, oh and …

childish to say the least .

anyway, when are we getting Rob Kearney ? I’d prefer if we got Dave . :)

Blue4u

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245047#Comment_118245047

It's a league, teams play different teams during the course of the season. They can't all play the same teams at the same time. Munster, , Scarlets, Zebre & Cardiff had to play the SA teams. No big conspiracy that was how the fixture list got drawn up and has nothing to do with Leinster. If you are having a pop at Leinster then why not every other team which didn't travel to SA for the games?

In terms of "cobbling together a teams" I think you will find Munster have fired out weakened sides when it suited them and they had already been knocked out of the competition. What happened the "proud club and traditions" then?

As I said above the option was given to all of the teams, either no competition or you have a competition but if you are the team to pull out then you give the opposition a bonus point win. All the teams accepted this. Plenty of teams lost out on it last season and I am sure if I look back you hadn't the same reaction. You run the risk and this time it looks* like Munster will lose out.

*As I believe at the moment nothing has been confirmed.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245482#Comment_118245482

I agree entirely with your first paragraph but I'm not sure when the following happened in Europe??

"In terms of "cobbling together a teams" I think you will find Munster have fired out weakened sides when it suited them and they had already been knocked out of the competition. What happened the "proud club and traditions" then?"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244795#Comment_118244795

From South Africa 🤣

Larbre34

Lets stop thinking about the fanciful and the fantasy.

This is really quite serious now. Unless Munster can return their main squad to training within days, its a strong liklihood that they will either fail to fulfill their Rd 1&2 Champions Cup fixtures, or have to fulfill them with their academy players. In either case this skews their results both in favour and against themselves and their opponents, depending when they were due to meet Munster.

This puts the integrity of the CC at risk, as well as incurring potential financial loss for some teams who would likely otherwise have progressed.

At what point does this become a financial liability for the URC for violation of its terms and dereliction of duty to its member teams? Can and would Munster go after them for whatever losses this mess creates?

Blue4u

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118245610#Comment_118245610

Just off top of head but this was far from the first 15 to play in this game as they already had been knocked out. It is not often as they normally progress which is great for Irish rugby, but they do drop players like all the provinces when it suits them.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/report/report-five-try-win-for-munster-over-ospreys#report