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An Post returning packages from outside the EU-See 1st post

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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭rf4c


    A quick question for somebody familiar with Customs regs and requirements.

    Are there any exceptional rules or procedures if I want to import some groceries (for personal consumption).

    I'm aware of avoiding dairy /meats and seafoods. All I'm talking about is processed foods in jars, tins or sealed sachets.

    Is it like importing anything else, TARIC codes, Values, Descriptions etc on a CN23 or is there more to it?

    Any advice very welcome! Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,465 ✭✭✭✭blade1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    I was gonna post that link too, a friend sent it to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    Seen this on RTE website


    An Post said it is working with Royal Mail to get the coding on parcels right so as mail can get through to Irish customers

    The chief executive of An Post has said that EU customs rules are "anti-postal" and have caused delays in moving parcels from the UK into Ireland at an indirect cost to the company of up to €8m this year.

    David McRedmond said that since the UK left the EU, domestic post is encountering real problems.

    He said that people do not know the rules and fail to fill in the right paperwork before sending items to Ireland.

    Mr McRedmond said that the UK post office has not put in place rules and systems to deal with the EU rules, which will not become mandatory across the EU until 2022.

    Thi means that customers in the UK are not being asked to pay charges and fill in paperwork in their local post office, which means the items posted cannot be released here.

    "In the meantime we have to work twice as hard to make sure we can get parcels to people," the An Post CEO said.

    Mr McRedmond said the problem is the EU rules are anti-postal and work for logistic and import/export companies but not for what the postal service is designed for - trade facilitation.

    He said An Post is working with Royal Mail to get the coding on parcels right and with Irish customs, who are showing some flexibility.

    But An Post still has to collect duties under law and cannot release the parcels until it has these collected, he added.

    He said it is a matter of law and An Post has no discretion. "All we care about is getting parcels to people but we have to follow the rules," he added.

    Mr McRedmond said there are also issues with post coming from Japan, Australia and the US.

    Speaking on the Today with Claire Byrne show, the An Post chief also defended the €3.50 handling charge that applies if duty must be charged, saying the charge does not cover the costs of the additional work required by An POST. Stamp prices may rise again next year

    David McRedmond also said today there is a possibility that the price of stamps will rise again next year.

    He said that transport inflation is running at 13% and An Post must continue to invest to ensure it has a good infrastructure.

    He said last year's stamp increase was the first in four years, whereas the price paid to Aer Lingus to carry parcels has gone up 300% as so few planes are flying due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

    "We are not here to make a profit, but to provide a service," he stated, adding that An Post works to keep prices down, while providing a high quality service.

    According to Mr McRedmond, An Post are in advanced talks with a number of mortgage providers to try and find a unique product it can launch in the future.

    "We'd love to have it now and as quickly as possible, but there is no point in coming up with something that consumers can do elsewhere in the market," he stated.

    Mr McRedmond said that post offices have had a really difficult time during Covid, but that 99% of them stayed open every day.

    He said the fall off in foreign currency and social welfare payments, in particular that PUP payments were not made through the post office, impacted on the business.

    An Post is providing postmasters with an additional Covid subsidy to the end of 2022 in the hope that will give time for business to recover, he added.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Recently I've had VAT (and charges) levied on two parcels of books which are meant to be 0% rated for VAT. I'm waiting to hear back from An Post regarding one parcel but Fedex have cancelled the invoice on the parcel of books that they delivered.

    "In response to your query regarding the above referenced invoice. Please accept our apologies for the delay in responding to you. I can confirm that the invoice has now been credited in full as it was raised in error."

    I contacted fedex on the email address ieinvoicequery@fedex.com in case anyone needs to protest a charge, it did take about a month to hear back from them mind you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    My parcel just came even though its still down as being sorted. Time frame below:


    23 November 2021 14:50

    Your delivery has been sorted DUBLIN MAIL CENTRE, DUBLIN 12

    23 November 2021 12:26

    We have your post in DUBLIN MAIL CENTRE, DUBLIN 12

    23 November 2021 12:25

    Your delivery was received by An Post in DUBLIN MAIL CENTRE, DUBLIN 12

    23 November 2021 09:55

    Custom charges have been paid. Your item will be processed and delivered to you as soon as possible. Please hold tight while we work through high volumes.

    22 November 2021 16:26

    Your item is in Ireland. A customs charge has been applied and details have been sent to you. You can pay the fee on our website, or at your local Post Office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 gtd58


    On enquiring about why a parcel was returned by An Post to Australia (and assuming it must be a post Brexit EU wide problem), my daughter who lives there was told at an Australian Post Office manager, this is NOT an EU wide problem, it is ONLY Ireland which has recently engaged in this parcel returning nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭deezell


    Touché from my supplier there. I could track his orders as he used incremental tracking numbers for some time after my returned one, and I could see them all being delivered to US, UK, EU, often in less than a week to US. 3 weeks to here, another 4 with AnPost, then off back to Oz with you, ye dirty Bogan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    • I just had another go missing from the UK, this one had the Import One Stop Shop (IOSS) Irish VAT paid at purchase point.
    • That's the second IOSS paid parcel to go missing.
    • I sell some bits on eBay myself and anything going to the UK automatically includes the IOSS number with 'Tax Paid' mentioned in the address, but An Post still fill out the c22 before sending it.
    • So I'm wondering do parcels entering Ireland still need the c22 even if the IOSS tax paid details are included?




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    MOD - Post from mrslancaster moved here: New Import Duty/VAT Thread. Read Post #1 for Rules

    I'm not sure if anyone actually knows what you require anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭andrewfaulk


    Honest opinion based on clearing goods in from the UK on a regular basis, if it's food of any sort don't bother, the rules are so finnicky that it isn't worth your while to deal with the import clearance process unless you are shipping in commercial quantities on a regular basis. You may well be asked to provide a list of the ingredients for the products, proof of the origin of the individual ingredients and licences for any agri ingredients in the products(cheese powder on your walkers cheese and onion for example).. Add to that that the yellow channel of customs currently takes 6-10 days, so that will be your minimum delay..

    Try find the goods in NI would be my best suggestion..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭TheIrishPC


    Bought stuff in the Black Friday sales from the UK, expected to arrive Tuesday. It arrived in An Post on Sunday, thought it might arrive Monday when I was out, it didn't and then Tuesday night the tracking says We could not deliver your post. We will try to return it to the sender. So now I'm just waiting for a refund in my account because there hasn't been any further update.

    All my details in the confirmation email correct too



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭rf4c


    Thanks for taking the time, friend. It sounds like a nightmare alright! Pre Brexit, I could get all my favourites from before I moved here. It's so stupid that

    the gobs**te Bojo can screw everything up with the stroke of a pen just to satisfy his own ego and his "Churchill fantasy"!!! Thanks anyway, I'll get my son to shop in Sainsburys up North, as he goes there every few months! All the best!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Looks like the An Post customs portal can't take the traffic. Worst than the Garth Brooks ticket queue! 😕



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  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    Is the website down? Christ our public services must compete for a prize to see who can be the most useless department every year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭stratowide


    So I paid the customs duty on a parcel.. Anyone know how long it takes them to post it out to me..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    A lot of UK sellers specify the import charges as a separate amount on the eBay item page and is added to the total.

    But some don't. I ordered a few items recently from the UK and this customs fee wasn't specified.

    The goods didn't arrive to me but customs automatically returned them to the seller.

    I was refunded by the seller on both occasions as the packages were returned.

    How do you buy off a seller that does not specify the import charges?

    is it legal for Irish customs to send the package back to the UK without consultation with the buyer if there is no customs charges specified on the eBay page?

    Surely customs have to work out something with the buyer. i.e. invoice them for the customs charges.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They don't - it should arrive with correct and complete information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭deezell



    Sending stuff back is so wrong. If duty/vat is due on your goods, they should fulfill their international obligations to deliver mail and determine the charges. Add €10 fee if they must, but everyone loses by returning, Anpost, you, supplier, revenue. For centuries you could post a parcel from anywhere in the world, and you would always receive it, prohibited goods notwithstanding. Now they are returning Tee shirts, fan belts, wooden toys and endless other perfectly legal and duty free goods, because they can't be arsed to do their job. They are mandated to collect taxes, so get on with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    Another one going back today. I've lost count now, 4 or 5 in the last few months all from the same supplier, all correctly filled in cn22 etc, some get through.
    My supplier is getting seriously fed up too.
    These are spare parts for my work, my business is taking a serious hit, I cannot buy these parts outside the UK.
    I just get the same generic answer from An Post.

    I'm getting couriers in future and pass on the extra to the customer.


    03 December 2021 04:35

    We could not deliver your post. We will try to return it to the sender.

    02 December 2021 14:31

    Your delivery has been sorted DUBLIN MAIL CENTRE, DUBLIN 12

    02 December 2021 13:55

    We have your post in DUBLIN MAIL CENTRE, DUBLIN 12

    02 December 2021 13:54

    Your delivery was received by An Post in DUBLIN MAIL CENTRE, DUBLIN 12



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Sometimes its not too expensive for couriers from the UK. Due to the volumes they can generally get far better rates than here. A pity is has come to this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Daniel112


    Ordered a pair of shoes from the UK who shipped it via Royal Mail to Ireland. Got an email to pay customs charges on Friday which I promptly did. Yesterday morning now the tracking says there was an issue an the package is being sent back to the seller after charging me. An Post support says that it was incorrectly marked for send back but I only found this out after they first tried to fob me off to Revenue who have nothing to do with it! It seems that An Posts automated system is at fault again and flagged it incorrectly. Nice one An Post! You're really doing a great job in typical Irish fashion 🙄


    05 December 2021 09:20

    We could not deliver your post. We will try to return it to the sender.

    05 December 2021 08:20

    Your delivery was received by An Post in

    03 December 2021 13:38

    Custom charges have been paid. Your item will be processed and delivered to you as soon as possible. Please hold tight while we work through high volumes.

    03 December 2021 10:09

    Your item is in Ireland. A customs charge has been applied and details have been sent to you. You can pay the fee on our website, or at your local Post Office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,018 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    "We could not deliver your post. We will try to return it to the sender"

    This is just plain ****-housing on An Post's part. It was not that they couldn't deliver it. They just couldn't be arsed delivering it.

    As you said the customs money was paid, so what was their problem?

    They should do what FedEx (and DHL) do. Deliver every package that has a question mark over it firstly and then trust that the recipient will reimburse the customs charge once they are sent the invoice (by eMail).

    Its a matter of trust. Trust your customer. FedEx do.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    You have obviously not seen the amount of times people have asked if they have to pay An Post or couriers for VAT and charges that have already been delivered. I'm surprised FedEx are still doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Anytime you have a question as to why you are being financially screwed in Ireland, first consider if Revenue might have a hand it and secondly, is there more tax to be had by it or will you be subsidising commercial interests handsomly? The answer is almost always yes to one or the other. I can not understand why Irish people endlessly bemoan Ireland being so expensive yet never seek or find the cause, which is that the public sector are grossly inefficient while also being overly remunerated and they seem to have a fondness for having the populace subsidise various interests through compulsory requirements and expenditure.

    In this case it's both. Anpost get their ridiculous handling fee for something thats electronic and hand-less - kaching - and Revenue get more by tightening the mesh of the net - kaching.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭rf4c


    Very wise words. Take a trip around any European city and your jaw will drop at the difference in lifestyle and standards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I recently bought something from an individual in Germany on ebay - not a business using ebay or regular seller. Cost to send it to me via DHL was €19. An issue arose where I might have had to send it back so I measured the box and weighed it. €84 to send it back via DHL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I have. I'm originally from Australia and am currently trying to sell up and emigrate. When Gormley green lit diesel and demonised petrol in 2008, I realised Ireland was heading for crippling climate change excuse taxes and mandated expenditure burdens. Unfortunately kids in school and college and a legal problem meant I had to wait it out.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Mod - Keep it on topic please. There are others forums more suitable to the cost of living.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,496 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Just got an €18.50 fee from UPS (on top of €23 customs charge) as a handling charge for customs (as well as that ever so unwelcome COD request) so the An Post €3.50 doesn't seem so bad!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    And compared to Business prices for customs clearance, that UPS price is still cheap. Normal starting rate for 1 line entries is still starting at around €40.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Nodferatu


    Anyone experiencing long delays after you've paid customs charge. Its been 5 days since I paid customs charge tracking shows its been released to an post but nothing in 5 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Any way to get the An Post Customs reference to pay the charge if you didn't get the notice? I've a package with them since last week and no sign of any notice yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,496 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Yep. Message them on their chat function on their website. Did it myself a few weeks ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Wow I got on to them this morning and they've valued the parcel at more than twice what it cost including delivery! The charges are almost the original cost! I've emailed them with the invoice to explain but am guessing this is going to take a while to sort out now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭deezell


    You'd feel like screaming. Useless bs. If they were a private delivery business they'd be in liquidation by now, who would trust them to deliver anything. They now are operating on the basis that they have no obligation to the consignee, who legally owns the goods, tax and duties notwithstanding. These charges were aways determined on invoice price previously, though did I read somewhere that they can base VAT on final expected retail value, the vat a consumer would pay on the exact same item, which is fine if you're a trader, as will all cancel out in the end.

    I bought Black friday Tado Kit for €212 from Germany, it was about €5 less in UK provided (1) it was not sent back, (2), they accepted the free delivery was included in price, (3) they did not apply a ludicrous exchange rate to the £ invoice, and (4) they did not value it for Vat at retail price as per Tado website which was double what I paid. Add the €3.50 fee to all of that, It was a no brainer, delivered straight to the door in 3 days from Deutchland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,388 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    In case you think the "they" applying the exchange rate is An Post, it is not. It is the Revenue. They reset it at the start of each month.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs-traders-and-agents/importing-and-exporting/exchange-rates/2021/december-2021.aspx



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭hi5


    I've been looking at courier companies.

    The problem with couriers is the cost on low value items, by the time you pay the shipping cost and then the handling fee your looking at 30-40 Euros to the courier company.

    You could absorb that if the item cost a few hundred Euros.

    That's why there was a revenue threshold before as it didn't make economic sense on items for a low price like 20 or 30 euros.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Any idea how to dispute a valuation? I've tried email and calling to provide the invoiced value not the one they seem to have made up but no one is responding or can tell me how to go about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    Is this a larger problem now? Just wondering because I'm not getting any parcels through, non-EU or EU, An Post or couriers. Recently ordered some clothing from UK, was supposed to go without a hitch, all handled by the store and delivered by a courier. It was rejected before it even arrived in Ireland and returned by the courier back to the shop. I've got parcels that should be coming from inside Ireland or EU and they are all delayed, not sure if they will ever come. At this point I might as well stop buying anything and tell everyone thinking of sending me a Christmas present not to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,388 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Are you missing many from EU countries, and what delay?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 RayJ


    eCommChargeQuery@anpost.ie is the email address.


    But this team is absolutely useless, it's over 4 months since I requested the refund for the overcharge they applied. Different people email me about every fortnight, apologising and blaming the 20 month long Covid problem. The latest email today says that they "have now escalated this to the Refunds Manager, who will expedite your request in due course."


    What the heck does that even mean? Do they know what an oxymoron is?!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    I've emailed them with no reply twice now, I've no intention of paying the overcharge in fairness to the company who shipped it they're willing to send another FOC but I said to hold off as I want to try fix it with AnPost first and if not I'll send to a UK relative and have them resend it so I'm sure of getting it. I'll give it until Wednesday then take them up on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭deezell


    They've sent back any amount of personal packets from UK family abroad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Damn, I haven't had anything in a while but got some medical supplies back in March without issue so was hoping it would be the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭NewbridgeIR


    Had to change my online purchasing strategy in last few months

    UK - only order from Amazon now as their packages get through ok and the VAT is dealt with properly at checkout so no hidden surprises.

    Japan - only order if seller ships via DHL or Fedex

    Am looking at buying something from Sweden - is that safe enough to risk An Post?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    Two inside Ireland, one from Denmark at the moment, all of them not hugely delayed but about a week at the moment. And then there's the two from UK, one of them resent and "delayed" and one stuck in Dublin mail centre.

    This is getting ridiculous with nothing moving anywhere. I have already prepared everyone for the likely outcome of not having much of a Christmas this year, the plan was to get one or two presents for family members but at the moment it seems no-one will be getting anything unless it can be found in a store right here in this city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭stronglikebull


    I have something coming from Sweden right now. Tracking says it's moving, but hasn't left there yet. I'll let you know if it has any problems. It should be OK as Sweden is in the EU, and therefore An Post have no reason to send anything back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭ShayNanigan


    I am assuming it's not just An Post anymore but courier firms too. DPD has now returned my order from UK twice and the shop won't send it again. No reason given from the shop or from DPD. I guess Ireland is now blacklisted or something.



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