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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman



    Ok, so you'll have to get the booster annually. And even if there is 90odd% take up, we'll still end up with restrictions and threats of lockdowns.

    What a bright future we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


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    Wonder is there any truth in it. I wouldn't be surprised.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    If the Liberal said the sky was blue and the grass was green I'd have to look out the window to double check



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    lol.

    But I wouldn't be surprised if there is at least more restrictions next month or January......



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    50/1 at Paddy Power for Mehole to mention a " meaningful valentines day "

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    No way they'd close retail on the 20th of December? I fully expect pubs to be closed for Christmas but retail ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Nothing will close. We have a huge uptake of vaccinations and we were told that was our way out of it.


    So happy days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Interesting that Queen Elizabeth II "ignored doctor's orders" to go to a christening.

    Is everyone aware that doctors only give advice and are often ignored for any number of reasons?

    Even/especially if someone is old and might not have a lot of time left they will sometimes choose to go out and spend the remainder of their life as they see fit instead of desperately trying to preserve and prolong every second at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This exactly, I think I also recall them reporting the army would be on the streets back in March 2020 to enforce restrictions!

    Also this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Has our immunity system been declared a ‘far right conspiracy theory’ yet?

    If not it’s only a matter of time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,277 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    3.6% of staff said they had tested positive for the disease in the first half of the month.

    So that's 0.26% per day. What's the incidence in the general population? 4,000 in 5 million? 0.08% per day. So that's x3 the incidence.

    Would be interesting to know the test positivity rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,277 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    You know the vaccines work by boosting your "immunity system", right? Mind blowing stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,757 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Level 5 lockdown Jan 3rd or so is my prediction, we got to make money in the busiest months of the year for hospitality and retail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Holohan was on Newstalk this morning. Only heard the first 5 minutes of him but he was effectively saying we are all too fcuking stupid to use antigen tests or wear masks properly. I don’t think I’ve ever come across anyone as fcuking arrogant as that man. A deeply, deeply unlikeable human being. Anyone hear the whole thing?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I haven't listened to Holohan since Day 1 to be honest.Never tuned into a press conference. What little I read of his remarks seems fairly arrogant, and since actions speak louder than words, his actions since early on this have been abysmal. He cannot or will not give a sh*t about what is actually practical in real life, it's just lockdown, lockdown, lockdown, no thought to the effect this has over time on anything or anybody, of other ways of approaching it, or if it is even working after a certain point in time, nothing. I do not for one minute believe that the 30 something people on NPHET have a say in any of this, I suspect it's just him and a couple of others whose voices are really the loudest (because that's human nature in large groups). Wouldn't waste my time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,105 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Personally I think the damage has already been done to both retail and Hospitality sectors.

    Massive cancellations of events widely reported, Retail limping along and lots of other businesses seriously impacted by not just the numbers but such uncertainty not helped by quite astonishing ineptitude in government.

    It's just beggar's belief after almost 2 years, messaging is so bad. Gov still harping on about the unvaccinated, now they bizzarely think antigen testing is the answer. Absolute denial of the facts re schools and the most astonishing thing of all, their dependency on the population to reduce social interaction and being scared withless by silly incoherent messages from THE CMO.

    Clearly alot of the concern is the Health system being over run but anyone including myself dependent on the heath system knows full well its been dysfunctional for years.

    This morning senior ministers discussing supports yet again for the hospitality sector, extending the wage subsidy schemes etc. The dogs on the street know full well the Hospitality sector was weak in availing of wage subsidy schemes, preferring to drop staff like bad habits, those staff no longer have the PUP option so extending EWSS for hospitality staff utterly meaningless and the same applies to retail staff.

    I've spoken to and know many retail business owners, they are and have been struggling, not just with enormous reduction in business levels, they've yet to deal with substantial rent arrears, warehoused tax debt and still fighting with insurance companies re business interruption claims.

    Whilst some seem to focus on short term lockdowns, restrictions etc few if anyone discussing the appalling damage that has been done to both retail and hospitality sectors. Economic forecasts, predictions utterly meaningless for 1000's of businesses that will close in 2022.

    An absolute Cluster****

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Every young teacher I know is out shifting in pubs and clubs.

    They'll be grand



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,241 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    So much so that people are being forced to boost their immunity system under threat.

    mind blowing stuff indeed, could you have seen this two years ago?

    were there mandatory vaccinations when that dreadful ‘Aussie’ flu was rampant during the winter of 2017/18? Why not? It was a LOT worse than covid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,105 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is it not middle aged/ older Teachers, those with health conditions that are concerned 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Holohans whole job is to despise the public. He has always been Mr Nanny State. When he went for his Master's in Public Health, he would have been conditioned into the thought of that the public are stupid and need their health choices taken from them.

    We are stupid and he will make our decisions for us because we are incapable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,105 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I hear you but have to say some of the reporting from Gp"s is startling in relation to how people are using antigen tests or more to the point how incorrectly they are using them. There was a very heated discussion on the P Kenny radio show last Friday with a GP, just a few minutes ago on the Claire Byrne show, GP and NPHET member also alarmed at how patients are incorrectly using antigen tests.

    I'm not suggesting people are stupid but there's a serious problem with the entire messaging around antigen testing and how they should be used.

    The situation not helped with delays in availability of PCR testing, which by all accounts very difficult to get at the moment.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭dubdaymo


    I don’t think I’ve ever come across anyone as fcuking arrogant as that man. A deeply, deeply unlikeable human being.

    Being? Maybe. Human? No. An egomaniac to the core. I wonder how many cases, hospitalisations, deaths and mentally affected people he has caused by his illogical opposition to masks and antigen testing not to mention a litany of inconsistent and nonsense restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    The swabs today and tomorrow will be interesting.

    Most data seems to indicate a R number around 1.


    Whilst I expect some further restrictions I do not forsee anything drastic.


    Hospitality closing time brought to 9/10pm perhaps to ensure no early nightclubs etc.

    Public transport restricted to 50%

    Only have 2 other households over to yours at one time etc..


    I do not anticipate a full lockdown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I think his ultimate problem with antigen testing is that if people use them and only use them then it does nothing for the official Covid stats.

    I did an anti-gen test about a month ago. I had the sniffles. Tested negative, rolled on as normal. Maybe I had the virus, who knows. But if my anti-gen said I was positive, I still wasn't going to go for the official HSE test. I would just isolate for a week. I Work from home, so don't need tests to keep me off work.

    If more people had that mindset, we'd have a couple of hundred cases a day. And they wouldn't be able to justify restrictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,105 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It really is baffling and I'm just not getting all the confusion around antigen testing, particularly as they seemed to have been used successfully in other countries. Maybe it's just mixed messaging, clear hestitency from NPHET etc. Unfortunately it would seem there's not enough people with common sense, like yourself but glad to hear you were fine 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭timmyntc


     I do not forsee anything drastic.

    ...

    Hospitality closing time brought to 9/10pm perhaps to ensure no early nightclubs etc.

    Public transport restricted to 50%

    Only have 2 other households over to yours at one time etc..

    Has everyone gone insane? We have 92% of all eligible people vaccinated, we are now in year 2 of this 'pandemic' and the sky has not yet fallen in, but there are people who think that closing everything at 9pm, cutting Public transport to 50% and only having people from 2 other households at yours MAX is not "drastic".

    Christ above, there is a pandemic of delusion in this country thats what.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Aye, looks like the teachers will be thrown in the scapegoat pile along with the unvaxed and publicans. Probably chuck the kids in as well for good measure.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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