Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Where ?

Why do you suppose it has to "come" from anywhere ?

You are a Pharmacist,yes ?

You are,it appears,particularly concerned with non-vaccinated individuals.

Are you prepared to forcibly administer a Covid vaccine to to a person who does not consent to it ?

Vaccines have reduced hospitalisation by over 90%. That’s not a total failure, that’s what we were told they would do. But for some reason Nphet thought they were 100% effective…

Who is Lukey?

Yup it's great. The thought of where we would be now with no vaccine. God bless the science nerds

Because of spread to at-risk people presumably

Tony Holohan: "Work from home! Reduce contacts and reduce the risk of coming into contact with the virus".

Today, Tony Holohan went to every major radio station across the city of Dublin, interacting with so many people. He could easily have done the interviews by phone.

Meanwhile Ronan Glynn goes on live TV news, speaking the same message. He could easily have done it by Zoom. He didn't need to greet a security guard, a receptionist, producers, make up artists and the two presenters.

If these two can't follow their own advice, why should they expect everyone else to? They talk about personal responsibility but they don't look that responsible to me from where I'm sitting...

There was no need for either of them to be at TV and Radio stations today

It's now down to 15-20 a week.

So from 30-50 per 1000 unvaccinated people, let's say 40. down to 7-10 per 1000 vaccinated people, let's say 8 (seeing as how roughly half of the cases in 12+ are vaccinated and we want to compare before and after vaccines). So it's an 80% reduction?

My math is crude and open to being corrected. I'd also add in delta has been shown to cause more serious illness/higher hospitalisation rate and I'll also add that vaccines are preventing covid, so there are alot more people out there who would have caught it and ended up in the figures if it wasn't for the vaccines.

You appear to have a problem reading a source I gave you from the ECDC compiled by the WHO showing when variants of concern were first identified, so here`s a screen shot of the relevant section. It clearly shows that other than Beta, which has not been a problem, the others, and most importantly Delta were not even known until December 2020.

So contrary to what you believe that report does exist and it shows that you somehow expected the government in September 2020 to come up with a plan that would somehow take into account and plan to counteract variants of concern that were unknown at the time, as well as taking into account that in September 2020 vaccines that we didn`t have, let alone know what they could do, if anything.

That was your original premise was it not ?

One that no matter how many times I have asked you what you believe how those totally unknown should have been planned for in September 2020 (and despite all the reams you have written and attempts at moving goalposts) you have continued to avoid answering.

Phase 2 trial results were released before September 2020, it was known what they could do by then

I was at my first indoor gig since February '20 tonight in Belfast. 'Twas great!

I'm not excluding 50% which are vaccinated. I'm excluding the 50% who are unvaccined.

So it's a comparison between 1000 confirmed cases before vaccinations were rolled out (1000 unvaccinated) and 1000 recent cases who are all vaccinated.

I'm not excluding breakthrough infections.

If you wanted to exclude immunocompromised people (as any vaccine they take would be much less effective, absolutely nothing new there with covid vaccines) it would show an ever bigger impact vaccines have made. You were talking about hospitalisations and not ICU admissions (ICU figures also show vaccines working extremely effectively in the vaccinated vs unvaccinated split)

And finally, if (I don't have the exact figures to hand) 40% of new cases come from the 10% of the eligible population that are unvaccinated and 60% of the new cases come from the other 90%, that clearly shows that vaccines are preventing infection. If vaccines were not preventing infection, you would expect only 10% of new cases to be in unvaccinated and 90% in the vaccinated group (figures above for cases exclude under 12's as they are not eligible for vaccines)

Didn't know where to post this,

But this is what's going on in China , Absolute bastards! Can you only imagine what they're doing to their own citizens off camera? makes me sick, I only wish there was a hell for these people to end up for doing that to a defenseless dog.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10204173/Chinese-officials-break-womans-home-beat-corgi-death-quarantine.html

That includes non vaccinated, when I said 90% I meant among vaccinated people.

also there is likely far more asymptomatic infections now. I was one for example, son brought it home from school, he tested positive so I did a test, to my surprise I was positive, never would have bothered testing as I had no symptoms.

it looks as if the vaccine has been effective, just the Nphet modelled it wrong.