Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Where does it mention HIV patients being recommended to get vaccinated? The only instance it seems to list are HIV patients who are not being treated for it or with a certain CD4 count? I suppose the CD4 it mentions indicates a bad case

Vaccines were mis sold. They were never going to eradicate Covid, they were never designed to do so. Covid was never going to be eradicated like small pox, it’s more like traditional flu where we build immunity and mitigate disease through vaccination and natural immunity.

nphet built their entire strategy on getting vaccines to get Covid eradicated.

covid will be around for many more years.

vaccines are critically important as they reduce the rate of transmission, reduce the likelihood of showing symptoms and being infectious, dramatically reduce the likelihood of needing hospitalisation and most important dramatically cut the death rate. That’s what they were designed to do, they work perfect.

we are now facing lock down again, because having the longest strictest lockdown in Europe has backfired, a side effect is we now have the lowest natural immunity in Europe, there is no way around the fact there most of us will get Covid at some point. The original slogans were correct, flatten the curve and let it burn out in a manageable way, but nphet, again went opposite to WHO advice and went for extreme lockdowns in the persuit of zero Covid.

the arrogance of nphet, their anti science approach has now damaged two Christmas periods.

The conversation for most usually goes "There should be no restrictions and we should treat everybody", then they collapse in on themselves as they can't explain how that can happen without COVID being some sort of hoax and the government has restrictions for fun.

In the past few days, these are how the question is avoided:

"COVID is seasonal (apart from the countries with large summer waves)"

"People would have died anyway (how do very sick people die without going to hospital first?)"

"We should add extra hospital capacity (sure, but that can't be done quickly, what do we do till then?)"

"Vaccines are causing the excess deaths (eh?)"

What's your own opinion?

I take your point, but I'm not familiar with vaccination for HIV patients and you seem to be: if a person had a CD4 of say 200-500, and were being treated for this, would it be recommended that they're vaccinated? Because the table isn't clear

Yeah I keep coming back to that 70% for the over 80s, which looks like a decent benchmark for the older groups. Agree on other groups.

Is there any rough timeline for the Pfizer antiviral getting EMA approval and then ultimately being available in hospitals etc?

The vaccine isn't free. We pay for it through our taxes.

I wouldnt know the ins and outs of that information, to be honest people with certain conditions are advised on vaccines by hospital consultants so that'd be a discussion between consultant and patient. Same as those with cancer, on immunosuppressants etc

Your commentary - however sincere - offers nothing.

You were still unironically talking about 'only two more weeks' the fortnight prior to Oct 22nd.

"Hey it looks like covid has altered our plans. Oh well you can't know what the virus will do. Gee who could have seen that coming"

Do you not get that restrictions and lockdown are primarily a political choice?

'The virus is forcing us to shutter businesses' Such waffle. Do you see yourself parroting this year in year out?

Cautious waiting in the summer then shocked face in the winter *gasp* the virus has thrown us another curveball!

As I have said in my last post mystified, rather than you somehow looking on it as disapproval. If you cannot see the difference then that is up to you.

To me it's an implied criticism of others but each to their own.

I think you are better of letting them quote their figures and make all the stuff up that they want. In a matter of days their figures and subsequent calculations are blown to smithereens and they need to make up something else. Sure age is only a minor factor in the death rate. Especially when compared to Covid.

I would be more interested in Minister Donnelly(another expert??) stating 81% this morning of people being treated for Covid in ICU have underlying conditions. Presumably this information is known because the person is in regular contact regular with a Doctor. If we believe HSE statistics are accurate(good luck with that, it is a BIG if), 66% of that 81% of Covid patients in ICU, who are in contact with a Doctor have not chosen to be vaccinated. By my rough calculations, 54% of the people being treated for Covid in ICU, have underlying issues while chosing not to be vaccinated.

In view of the well documented arguments over patients (and their partners) attending Maternity Hospital - another group in regular contact with Doctors - why does it appear that there are significant numbers of people who ( I admit this is my assumption) are in regular contact with a Doctor not choosing to be vaccinated.

Any explanations or even theories folks?

Fuckin hell

How long is the booster shot immunity at over 98%? Wouldn't immunity on this shot wane too?