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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Ive been to hospital. 3 nights. Terminal patients don't always occupy ICU beds. But its not our concern and nobody should be talking about the hse with any authority unless they work there.

    Its a public funded institution that's been a mess for decades. I refuse to be held accountable for the state its in.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    The stay at home and isolate if any household member tests positive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Lol at people still thinking they can "control" an airborne respiratory virus. Hasnt the penny dropped yet? I guess you could literally lock everyone in their homes and allow no one out, not even essential workers. Sacrifice power, rubbish collection, medical care etc for the "greater good". That would probably do it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Is this new? I thought that was always the case...?

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Nope it changed in August/September, if you were vaccinated and had no symptoms you did not have to isolate or get tested if you were a close contact of a positive case.

    Now it's changed again if you live in the same house as a positive case you have to self isolate for five days regardless of vaccination status and do three antigen tests also, it was originally two antigen tests from the beginning of November now it's three

    From the HSE site today: https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/contact-tracing/close-contact/

    If you do not have symptoms

    Fully vaccinated

    You need to do antigen tests if you are a close contact, are fully vaccinated and do not have symptoms of COVID-19.

    What we mean by fully vaccinated against COVID-19

    You will get a text message with a link to a website where you can provide your details. When you have done that, you will get a text message with information about your antigen tests.

    You do not need to restrict movements (stay at home).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Ah! Cheers for the clarification. More indication that the vaccines aren't as good as they are supposed to be.

    (Yes, I know, they're better than no vaccine...but still).

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Whatever else happens during this pandemic / endemic this mantra that « vaccination is the answer » has taken a decisive blow tonight. Ireland has been the poster boy for the vaccine. Did the lockdown, greater than 92% got the double-jab... even though everything didn’t open as planned on Freedom Day, not too bad... We were the example that the rest of Europe needed to be following....

    Despite all the big talk we are now shifting around uncomfortably - with the Covid Pass to act as a fig leaf to cover up our inadequacies - as we reach for another round of restrictions.

    How is anyone looking at us today meant to be encouraged to get vaccinated or follow our example ?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Jimi H


    I wonder if employers play along with this and request proof of a positive case



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Its like bad satire at this stage. Loopholes in every rule that completely undermine any logic to it. Schools are the biggest driver of covid spread in the country at the moment, but the government is still denying that into the ground for some reason. It boggles the mind.

    They could have sent the kids back two weeks early in August instead of September when cases were low/it was summer, and had longer Halloween and Christmas breaks as a result when we knew cases would likely be peaking. That would have been very easy to do and have made a huge difference to the country, with no loss of education time for the kids. But no..

    They could still very easily add two weeks onto the Christmas holidays for schools by saying they'll stay two weeks later in June/July. But theres not much hope of the government actually engaging in some creative thinking like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone


    Incredible. They've actually lost the plot now 🤣



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are they?..

    Wasn't there studies in Israel that found after 9 months they had a negative effect?..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭MOH


    Yes, people rightly complained that the government kept going on about variants as if they had spontaneously arisen as some completely unforeseeable development , and used it as another of their myriad excuses for their utter incompetence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,615 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    They could have sent the kids back two weeks early in August instead of September when cases were low/it was summer, and had longer Halloween and Christmas breaks as a result when we knew cases would likely be peaking.

    that actually would have been a very good idea... so,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Thanks.

    I imagine like many they may have been hoping there would be either no mutation or one that would lessen the transmissibility rather than being unaware of the possibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Completely predictable , every word.. Exact same speech the prik gave last year. Unfortunately is works because so many are brainwashed into compliance whenever they hear anything negative about the hse. Did anybody ever tell this clown that its HIS job to sort out the HSE.

    The underlying message here was booster uptake. It seems clear to me that nothing will return to normal unless they get a 90% uptake with the boosters. Because its makes no sense at all for such totalitarianism over 7% unvaccinated.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Reek of fascism off him..

    Comply, or else..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Kinda have to agree with you. I'm detecting an almost celebratory tone from some who chose not to take the vaccine, a sense of "we told you so".

    Let's be honest here, the restrictions are returning to cover over an ineffective and creaking health system. I feel so sorry for those in the private sector who will be out of work yet again. But the bosses at the HSE will be unaffected on their inflated salaries. The whole thing is just depressing, and the leaks this evening suggest even further restrictions in the run up to Christmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    He has a book on sale. He sold some his company on foot of a process he and his team were working on and is consequently slightly more wealthy. He is a pleasant, affable man, possibly a performer in a rock band. However he contributes to the Pat Kenny "clever me" performance. Notable for folding like a deck of cards in relation to masks - the science has changed, you see. I don't know why he wants to keep his place in the public eye



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭kieran26


    Where are you pulling the 10-15% figure put of? I read somehwere they are going to add 15 icu beds at a cost of €10million or so. So to add the other 250 icu beds we need would be closer to €200 million. Small change compared to the cost of restrictions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The level of risk does not change with time. Over those 20 months the risk of infection has increased rather than decreased with the higher transmissibility of the Delta virus.

    I`m not wagging a finger at anyone. Just pointing out that the vaccines have been very effective at reducing serious injury and deaths and I have no doubt that boosters will continue to do that. If people wish to ignore that, then that is up to them. If there are consequence for them for doing so, then that is also down to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Micheal's speech was inspiring.

    I'm definitely going to redouble my efforts now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The "stay at home - and have a house party because the pubs are now closed at 12" restrictions?

    Because that's what they will become



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭Astartes


    Are the new hospitality restrictions law or "guidelines" pretending to be law, like the no music or dancing farce during the summer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    We can control the airborne virus. We just need to....

    Stop people queing for fish and chips

    -Close the pubs

    -Close national parks

    -Close meat packing facilities

    -Prevent Bulgarian fruit pickers from coming into the country

    -Ban outdoor pints

    -Close non essential retail

    -Shut down off licences

    - Ban house parties

    -Shut the airport's

    -Close building sites

    -Close Night Clubs

    -Close Schools

    -Ban unvaccinated people from gyms and barbers


    Once we do all that, we can lead normal lives.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    This will not start to get resolved until Michael Martin leaves office.I've said it before and I will say it again, the man cannot make decisions - he is not good leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,942 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Whatever you do don't mention the word "seasonal", because that is just conspiracy theory nonsense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,942 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    My post from August. Yep, still bang on track.



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