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Why is rugby/the Irish rugby team so popular?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    I said the majority not nobody, big difference. I am sorry if I struck a nerve informing you that the majority of casual fans don't know understand the rules of the game.

    I'm still going to call them rules like every other sport. Laws and rules are the same thing just a different name.

    Most of the parents bringing their kids definitely don't have a clue about the 'laws' They don't care either for the most part.

    I played soccer underage and I'd say half the parents still don't know what the offside rule is despite going to games for over a decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭chrissb8


    I like watching the odd game and would have watched the 6 nations for a good few years in my late teens early 20's. I just kinda got bored of it but never got the overzealous aspect of it some would have. As in, the bit part, fair-weather fans like me become opinion leaders whenever a tournament was on.

    It reached new levels of cringe when Brian O'Driscoll retired. Yeah, a great Irish sportsperson who deserved a send-off. But you would have sworn a state funeral was being held. I guess I just don't get the whole elevating sports players to higher levels with "hero", seems desperate in some sort of way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    Just calling out someone talking BS when I see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    The send off for BOD was over the top and a running joke in all rugby circles. Any player that retires will make some comment they didn't get the wend off that BOD got. Also the send off was done by a sponsor of IRish rugby who have since been dumped so we can blame that company. Still he was one of the best players in the World ever. Picking a best of all time 15 and a lot of people will pick him at centre.

    In terms of Irish rugby you have very few players put up as hero or stars. Really you are down to BOD, Paul O'Connell and Sexton. All 3 are not just highly rated in Ireland but across the World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    What BS have you called out exactly?

    Rules called Laws? Same thing just a different name.

    By your logic anyone that goes to a game knows the laws of the game inside and out😂

    I can assure you I have been to Celtic league, Magners League, Heineken cup, Pro12, Pro14 and Champions Cup games in Thomond Park, for some reason it's always freezing there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,371 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Joe Biden is so Irish I fear he’s lost the plot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    Yes of course you did. You went to all the games but couldn't understand the laws and nobody in the stadium understood them either 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball




  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭starkid


    So you can chip over a player and run a line, pick it up and beat a few players? cause Will Jordan did that on Saturday and its a really hard skill. ****, theres a tonne of clubs who would love a player like yourself. i mean if its so easy like. some absolute morons on this thread. morons who would piss and **** themselves if they rocked up to a j4 game in Barnhall on Sundays. They'd be **** minced, as well as their skillset torn to shreds.

    If people think any high level sport , and rugby is a professional sport where lads can earn over a million euro, (which is more and less than alot of sports) is low skill they really shouldn't be allowed have an opinion on things.

    Nobody is saying rugby is more skillful than anything. But saying there is little skill in Rugby is ignorant. Ignorant to such an extent that it makes your point invalid.

    Soccer and GAA are more skilful games because of what they are. Rugby has certain skills that aren't discussed much in public. COntact skills is huge. so much so teams have specialised coaches for it now. Catch and pass, kicking, line running, footwork, contact, lifting, throwing, scrummaging. these are all skills.

    theres a tonnes of physical freaks in Ireland that never really made it. Bob Casey, Tony Buckley, Damien Browne and a tonne of others. PHysicality is only one part of it.

    The fact of the matter is if it was so low skilled we'd have a tonne of GAA crossovers, but we don't. Conor Nash was one of the few who was good enough for both. Canning was a good outhalf.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Just wondering if all the fans around you didn't know the laws or were giving out because ref's decision went against the team they were supporting? I know that is something that only happens in rugby. In every other sport they politely applaud and say "well that's the rule" when a decision goes against their team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,656 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    I love my football but it is destroyed with play-acting.

    Whereas with rugby, even though I don't watch it all that often I can only admire the way in which the game is played and the respect shown to officials and opposition for the most part.

    Was in Dublin on Saturday as well, great atmosphere in the pubs and not a skanger in sight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    John Hayes started playing rugby at 18 and ended up being our most capped player before he retired.

    Can you explain how he mastered all the skills of the game in such a short period of time then?

    There is skill in the specialist positions, half backs, full backs but none of the front 8 and usually 2 or 3 of the backs rarely ever kick the ball or chip the ball, run a line, pick it up and beat a few players or are encouraged to do so. But very few players are expected to do much else other than to break a tackle or pass to a lad less than 5 foot away. Holding the ball while getting battered isn't easy but not highly skilled. It is relatively low skilled compared to the other field sports played here. Anyone that thinks otherwise truly hasn't a clue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    John Hayes went to New Zealand for two seasons to learn his trade.

    Something which would be great if more young Irish players got the opportunity to do.

    I do agree with you and someone "hasn't a clue"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    All it took was 2 years in NZ to master a game and be most capped Irish international player of all time when he retired 🤔

    If only I'd have gone to Brazil at 18 I could have been an international soccer player😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    Genuinely don't know until someone beside them explains why it was a penalty against. A small bit of it is lads just shouting for penalties because it was their team but rugby's not as bad as other sports for that in fairness but genuine confusion because they didn't know.

    Its not all fans but a good few any game I've been to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    Another silly statement.

    John Hayes is not the most capped player for Ireland also by the way.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    plenty of skilled sports stars start later.. you are fast running out of straws my man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Are you saying none of the front 8 have any specialist skills? Your either a troll, ignorant or just both!! The whole pack are in specialist positions… 3 of them are so specialist that your not allowed field anyone in those positions unless they’ve been specifically trained. You even have to have replacements for all three of those positions named on the bench! Even at club level!

    Having played at full back myself for over 20 years I’d love nothing more than to bring you out for a training session to show you some of the “basic skills” needed just to make sure your able to leave the field in one piece! Trust me, there is some level of skill needed to stay focused while throwing your body up to catch a garryowen in full knowledge that as soon as your foot hits the ground your going to be minced by two 100kg plus backrowers (two of those unskilled fellas as you like to say), all while keeping possession and recycling the ball back, getting up off your hole, catching your breath and going to do it all again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    Was he not the first player to reach 100 caps making him the most capped player before he retired. BOD passed him out at some stage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    The fact that a fella can take up the sport at 18 and become record cap holder before he retires shows that it is not massively highly skilled, it's a physical and mental game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    I'm saying it's relatively low skilled for the 8 forwards. The hooker throws line outs but none of them kick the ball for example outside of the hooker in the scrum.

    I've played GAA and been under kickout's so know how hard it is to get up catch and hold onto the ball but it's not a hard skill to execute, the hard bit is when you get to the ground so again it's a mental thing and most lads drop the ball because they are worried about what's meeting them on the ground and knowing they are getting buried but that's the game.

    Are you trying to tell me Rugby is more highly skilled than hurling, football or soccer?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    How do explain a fella being good enough to play for Ireland a couple of years after playing the game for the first time at 18 ahead of lads that had been playing all their lives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    @square ball I can’t speak for GAA at all but having played soccer along side rugby for a large portion of my adolescence (About 10 years as a defender/goalkeeper, including an appearance for a team in the Eircom league as it was known at the time) I’d absolutely say the level of skill needed to be half decent at rugby is greater!

    Having said that, the competencies are vastly different and there is a lot of things footballers can do that rugby players can’t! The highest level I played at in 1xv rugby was Leinster League Div 2 but did finish up with the 3rds for an AIL team before injury ended it this past summer! So I’ve a decent level of experience at both to be able to judge accuracy I feel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭square ball


    Fair enough I'd have to disagree with you on that but you played both at a decent level so what do I know.

    How many skills do you reckon you needed in each code to play at a decent level?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Nothing wrong with disagreeing…. Opinions are like arseholes eh 😉😂

    I don’t know how to answer your question! But I don’t think it’s a coincidence that I was a defender and ‘keeper in football and a full back in rugby, both have transferable skills!! Infact I’d say most half decent full backs would make a half decent keeper and vice versa!

    Now could I chest a cross down and volly it into the top corner? Prob not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Blue4u


    You are wasting your time trying to talk sense. The "my sport is better than yours" is not worth discussing

    Everyone should be able to enjoy a sport they like/love without questions from randomers who have no idea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    I do go to games have been for the last 35 years or so, and it's very rare the people around haven't a clue what's going on and that's from minis up to international.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Poorside


    Which bit of that didn't come from a pundit?

    Schimdt didn't get rid of players because they played 'off the cuff', he dropped players that didn't suit the style, the same as any coach in any sport would do so they can get the right result, just like Charlton and Brady.



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