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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**



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    Why is he doing this dastardly $hit? What is the motivation? What is this guys ultimate aim, and where did it originate? We are never told any of this. His family was killed? So what?? Huge leap from that to wanting to infect the world and wiping the planet out with nano-viruses. 


    It's not explained very well at all, and I probably can't explain it better.

    But I think we are meant to believe that he fundamentally sees himself as a saviour of the world rather than someone 'wiping the planet'. (perhaps there's some echoes of Stromberg, maybe even Drax, genuinely believing that they are morally in the right). By controlling the virus he gets to ensure that an evil organisation like Spectre can't rise again as he can kill them off. He wants to decide who lives and dies and he is doing it for the good of the planet. That's clearly a megalomaniacal viewpoint, but it is at some level a valid motivation. He's a force for good.

    My problem was how he able to get into a position to do it - there was never an establishing scene to suggest he was a billionaire (unless I blinked and missed it there was no scene in Safin Industries like we got with Zorin, Carver, Drax etc). Instead he was a comparative nobody who piggybacked on the Russian chaps chemical expertise to wipe out a few Spectre heads, and in that ensuing vacuum was supposedly able to take over the entire remaining organisation inc their Norwegian hit-squads and their chemical island. That seemed incredibly implausible to me.

  • The villains are really been rubbish during Craig's stint as bond. Blofeld and Safin are two of the worst ever.

    Spectre, the big hidden organisation hiding in the shadows all these years are having a party in Cuba where anyone can walk in uninvited.

    Safin wants to destroy the world and kill millions of innocent people....because..em.. eh.... his family was killed???

    Madeline grabs her stomach when bond leaves her on the train, oh shes pregnant...and eh, who's been minding the kid all these years in Norway when she been off swanning around (see what i did there?!) London working her 9 to 5?? British intelligence didnt know she had a 5 year old daughter...reeeallly?

    People asking how are they gonna do James Bond now that hes dead...easy...she tells us at the end how they're gonna do ti ..."I'm going to tell you a story of a man named Bond, James Bond". All future movies will probably be these stories that Madeleine tells her kid.

  • Somewhat of a disappointing end.

    Good in parts and poor in others.

    Some of the CGI was terrible but I am going to put this down to covid but still no excuse.

    Bonds character totally changed to be more like the old cheesy bond - maybe a nod to the past but one that wasn't needed.

    Big shootout, place surrounded by men with guns but time for a quick shot of something. That kind of stupidity should be kept for anything with the Rock in.

    It was somewhat entertaining but definitely lost the grit that was so obvious in all the Craig bonds. This was just a poor bow out which was a shame 4/10

    Even the final conversation between bond and Madeline was empty. I can't meet you.... Ohhh you have been pensioned. Just felt they had skipped a few pages of the script

  • Christ that was awful shite. Even the new 007 felt way out of place in it. And giving up the 007, crock of shite.if she earned it she earned it. You don’t casually throw that away.

    Felt sorry for that actress.

    Then the love story? It never felt like it.

    Where was the evil henchman?

    The whole thing felt like they shot a whole load of scenes and then wrote a script after them.

    Definitely one of the worst Bond films in history, thank god Craig is gone now. At least in a few years they can follow some new fad maybe.

  • Watched it tonight. For 90 minutes I thought it was good but the last hour I felt it kind of fell apart. I haven't bothered watching Spectre since it came out but I remember thinking similar about that, it's all nice and stylish until towards the end when it needs to start making sense. I agree with whoever posted about Rami Malek's character's (Dr. No?) motivations, I've no idea what his problem was. As for killing off Bond, it had been heavily rumoured for a good while and even mooted as the reason Danny Boyle walked away. Whether that was 100% true or not I don't know but the ending didn't come as a massive shock to me.

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  • That was indeed the reason Boyle walked away.

    Craig is maintaining that it was his idea from the outset.

    "When I started as Bond on Casino Royale, one of the early discussions I had with [producers] Barbara [Broccoli] and Michael [G Wilson] was that I would like to be killed off when I am finished," he revealed .

    I liked Craig earlier in his career but he seems to have gotten far too big for his boots, he is a hired hand he shouldn't be making creative decisions especially when they are detrimental to the character.

  • It's probably not a great starting point for a movie when you have to write a story that facilitates the protagonist's death.

  • That movie was a skunk !!!! and it was almost 3 hours long !!! 3 hours of being sprayed by a skunk !!!!

  • 2 hours in, not overly excited by it!

  • I wasted a nights alcohol consumption on it !!! And it’s wasn’t cheap wine either !!! It was the good stuff !!!

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  • Well . . . I robbed it off the internet & thought it was class, really enjoyed it.

    True Detective director guy should start off the new batch

  • Watched it last night, it will definitely need a second viewing. I didn't like Skyfall at all in the cinema, but now it's my favourite Bond movie by far! So I'm going to reserve judgement until I've given NTTD another go.

    My FIRST impression is that it was overlong, boring in places, plot didn't make much sense, too many coincidences, and the villain was weak. With the exception of the villain, you could say the same about Skyfall. So.

    I liked Spectre and while flawed I think it was a better movie than NTTD. Casino / Quantum are too distant in my memory to make a valid comparison; I think I've only seen Quantum once and haven't seen CR for years.

  • A couple of the set pieces were engaging - even if other series have outpaced Bond for that sort of thing - and individual shots could be gorgeous and cinematic - but overall, this was often a truly tedious slog; one whose personal drama was overwrought, with the lack of any charisma or tension constantly hurting the attempts to make me give a damn about any of the character twists. I do think the well has run dry on Hollywood's most analog IP. Maybe whatever reinvention comes next might surprise, but I dunno.

    The death of Eva Greens character in Casino Royale has always cast a long shadow throughout Craig's run; not just thematically, but functionally as well; Bond's One True Romance, killed off yet greedily the studio demanded a replacement, asking the audience to believe that no - this new, more flaccid couple were actually, in fact, the One True Romance. And the less said about the series' creative decision that "It's all connected!", the better. There was a chance to course-correct a little after Spectre, but instead Rami Malek's whispering non-entity of an antagonist appeared as the Even Bigger Fish, trying to straddle the line between yet more personal connection and comic supervillain. After Austin Powers, any attempt at global domination just looks deeply silly.

    And then there was the "Smart blood"; ye gods. No series with Moonraker in its veins can be accused of tonal sobriety, but the tech here was just too daft by half.

    The replacement 007 was a good choice, though you could smell the spin-off coming off the character in waves - but not sure there was anything especially unique a film could hang off of either.

  • Yeah, the first 90 minutes was fairly decent but it did indeed did fall apart towards the end. And the way the killed him off was as awful as the CGI. Also, it needed so much more Ana De Armas.

    I obviously picked up on the Danny Boyle/Bond dying story wrong. I thought he walked away because he wanted to kill him off in his version and Wilson/Broccoli were not having it.

    I liked some of the nods to previous movies. The framed picture of Robert Brown's M on the wall was a nice touch. But most of the the use of the best Bond movie soundtrack(and best movie), On Her Majesty's Secret Service. I was only listening to it recently thinking it would be nice if they inserted it into one of the new ones.

  • I think the James Bond IP Holders are in a pickle. They left Craig have a complete story line ark right up to his death. What's next?

    Looking back I think everyone accepted the previous James Bond actor switcheroo because it was still following IFs books. Audience members saw it as a continuous line because it was following IFs plan. But Craig was different. Do you want a 5 film complete arc JB every 15 or so years 😴

    I struggle to see where they go from here. Craig's Bond was already a retcon. Do we keep getting Retcons?

    Of course the IP holders aren't going to let their cash cow wither. But, they are on thin ice for continued devotion.

  • I think - being the seasoned Hollywood producer that I am - the smart play is to rest Bond for upward of 10 years. Well. Maybe five; a decade might be too much - but give the character time to settle into pop culture retirement before returning with a new approach.

    Still think Bond as an IP is thin grool that it can go for another 20+ movies, but assuming Hollywood will out, they shouldn't get greedy.

  • First thing they need to do is get the casting right. But it will be very interesting to see where they go from here as they've never been in this position with the character. Another reset I'd say, maybe starting at an even earlier point in Bonds life. That doesn't necessarily mean they'll go with another continuous arc over several movies.

    The breaks, albeit small ones that they have had in the past certainly did the quality of the movies they returned with no harm. Goldeneye and Casino Royale being two of the best. The break between Die Another Day and Casino Royale feels longer than 4 years because the movies are so different in style, tone and quality.

    Agree with you on why they should give it a few years before coming back.

  • The trouble with long breaks is that the actor is going to age and you may not get as many out of them. Craig is the longest serving Bond actor but only 5 films. The longest break was obviously between Spectre and NTTD which was 6 years but would have been 5 if not for Covid. After that there were 4 years between QoS and Skyfall.

  • I think everyone experiences this movie to slow representation,

    As a James Bond fan, this one is not blockbuster than others from them.

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  • Just watching this at the moment. I got to say that Lashana Lynch has quite the rump.

    That is all. Lol.

  • Finished it last night. Ah, good in places and boring in others. Rami Malek is a good actor but he's character wasn't used that much. A villian for the sake of having a villian.

    The nanobot virus appears to have been lifted from the video game Metal Gear Solid - in which a weapon is also dna targeted to kill specific people. The game uses "nanomachines" while this movie uses "nanobots" :p

    But having Craig's bond die pretty much confims that it's going to be a clean slate reboot for all the characters. Wouldn't make sense to have Namoi Harris for one example playing Moneypenny alongside a new Bond. To her version of the character Bond is dead.

    Which leads in to Lashana Lynch 007 character. I don't think she will get her own spin off movie. They are going clean slate. She might get a spinoff tv show to air on amazon prime (since amazon owns mgm now)

  • I guess if Judi Dench was in the Craig reboot having previously been in the Brosnan films, then there's no reason why Q, M or Moneypenny necessarily have to be recast for the next film. No-one seemed to complain that Judi Dench's M completely ignored that she had a previous 'Cold War dinosaur' agent called James Bond.

    They may be tempted to keep one or more of them just for the sake of having recognisable characters / not having to do castings for everyone.

  • I would love to see the next bond be a coma patient who can only communicate sporadically through tapping his finger in morse code but somehow manages to take down a super villain.

  • Thing is pierce brosnans Bond didn't die at end of die another day.

    Q actor Ben Wishaw has stated he doesn't expect to be asked back and expects all characters to be a clean slate. Says he signed on to do three movies and did just that.

  • Killing Bond was wreckless, who signed off on that? It never happened before, what gave them the right to do it now?

    Paloma should have played a far larger part.

    Remi's charachter was the weakest Bond villian in history, and rehashing Blofeld was desperate.

    As someone previous quite rightly stated, when Vesper died, force feeding us his love with Madeleine didnt fit Bond's profile. Eva made Casino one of the best bond movies, I think Lea Seydoux detracts from them.

    I loved Daniel Craig as Bond, a very good fit for the type of man Bond is meant to be. While I'm sad to see him go, I fear he had too much say in the script here, he really got too self indulgent.

  • Breaking Bad used that storyline already I'm afraid!

  • rented NTTD on Sky over the weekend and was pretty disappointed in it. It starts alright but by about halfway through I was getting seriously bored. I'm still not clear what Freddie Mercury's dastardly plan involved and why he was doing it, though he did have a good villainous lair (but what were all the henchmen pool-cleaners doing?).

    Malek was chewing the scenery in every scene he was in, but his character was so underwritten there wasn't much else for him to do. The sequence where Bond is trying to break into the tower to open the missile doors was basically 10 minutes of first-person-shooter game footage (maybe that was deliberate?). Also Lashana Lynch's character was a straight rehash of Jinx from DAD.

    They've gone too far with trying to make Bond into a rounded character with relationships and feelings - Skyfall found a reasonable medium, and had some of the old humour, but Spectre and NTTD were both overlong and tedious. And I really didn't like the ending - I know there's an implication that Craig's movies are a reboot or a different timeline, but killing him at the end sets a terrible precedent. Are they going to do that every time they change actor?

  • i rewatched during the week after seeing it in the cinema on release.. found it a struggle not to be bored with it. Sure it looks super stylish and sounds great.. but the story is totally forgettable.. overly long.. i have watched skyfall good few times and still enjoy it.. can't see myself watching this to many times..

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  • I thought it was pretty good. Not the biggest Bond fan. Of Craig's I enjoyed Casino Royale and Skyfall.

    Thought Ana De Armas was fun (Wouldn't be surprised if her scenes were Phoebe Waller Bridge's involvement). Thought her whole thing was great and very enjoyable. From the initial display of nerves which were soon abandoned when needed. "Two weeks?" "More or less". Plus, that back.

    I thought Noni was fantastic. I thought it was funny to see her doing all the typical Bondian-type stuff: Casually stepping off her plane and waving to Bond. Driving the Astin Martin. Throwing out the quips and killing everyone in sight before he even gets a chance to. And there was no doubt that she was a bad-ass agent. I'm sure even the people rolling their eyes the most at the thoughts of a female 007 had to admit she was plenty powerful enough (Almost too bad-ass).

    I thought Malik was very underwritten though. For a film as long as it was, he didn't really have much of an impact. I mean he had all the bad-guy tropes: The ridiculous evil name, the secret lair, the obligatory physical deformity, the accent. But he was just.... there. He wasn't as much of a non-entity as the one in Quantum of Solace but he wasn't exactly Javier Bardim.... Heck, he wasn't even Rupert Murdoch am.... Yer man from Tomorrow Never Dies.

    So does this lend credence to the whole fan theory of "James Bond" also being a Code Name? I know in Skyfall they refer to his family being Bond but this could all be simply because we are seeing it from his POV (In the same way that, in Mister Robot, the main company is referred to as "Evil Corp"). (Almost like even the movie was redacted/encrypted for security)

    I can't find a link but there was the theory that they are all actually different people:

    Connery just got too old.

    Lazenby just broke down and couldn't go on.

    Moore: Too old

    Dalton: Went/stayed rogue

    Brosnan: too old

    Craig dead