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Working From Home Megathread

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  • Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When I say digging heels in, I'm talking about those employers who are forcing people in.

    It's unlikely that coming to the office on a voluntary basis would be restricted at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    Sure our place didn't bat an eyelid when one of our lads got Covid last week, after we being dragged back in full time 2 weeks ago. 100% back onsite. Wash your hands and shut up.


    Edit - clarity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    That's just your take on things. We've been doing designated two days at home per week and I find my productivity is just as high on those days. I use days at home to get more challenging / strategic work done free from distractions, office days I work on more collaborative tasks with my colleagues. It's down to employers and teams to make the hybrid model work. I save 1.5 hours of my day not commuting and I use this time to walk the dog before work and get out for a walk at lunchtime as well. Id have no interest in 100% WFH or Office going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    I'm confused. Did they give any more recommendations?


    If people are advised to work from home, what is happening with colleges? Surely college students can have classes online?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Absolutely it's my take on things and I know that it's not universal, but I still think hybrid as it seems to be implemented by most companies, i.e mandatory in on certain arbitrary days for no other reason than having to be in on certain arbitrary days, is an utter cod and something that will in time vanish.

    Companies , in certain sectors, will either have their people always working from home or always in the office.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    The government seem to be set on not changing the rules. They've tried to have their cake and eat it by saying that businesses can have workers in offices but are at the same time advising against it. Now NPHET are strongly recommending WFH be mandated so by not mandating it the government are probably now being forced to admit they are still permitting employers to have people in offices and if things deteriorate with covid numbers then NPHET have now covered their behinds while the government is exposed. Pure politics but it's a lose lose for the government no matter where they go from here - be popular with NPHET and office workers (but unpopular with businesses and laid off workers) or else risk being blamed for inaction should covid numbers deteriorate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭tigger123


    If you have an organisation, and the hybrid agreement is that everybody works 2 days per week in the office, then it stands to reason that each Section or Unit will have to choose certain days of of the week and rotate their time in the office accordingly. Basically, everyone would have to have set days.

    Otherwise the employer would have to continue to rent/service/maintain an office that can accommodate 100% of the workforce just in case everyone decides their day in the office is Friday.

    Hybrid working is now expected by employees after (what will be) 2 years of it operating, and it works for employers too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    "It would also send a terrible message if pubs were open but not offices"

    Why? If you don't need to be in an office to do your job then it's an easy win for numbers. Having a social life is more important than sitting in front of their boss to a lot of people, why should socialising be demonized because optics? Not to mention pubs being closed means some people are unemployed and back on PUP. Offices being closed puts no-one out except micro- managers.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But why have an agreement that everyone works two days a week in the office ?

    Where is the value add in having people two days a week in the office when they are well capable and happy to do their job from their homes ?

    And where is the value add in sending someone who prefers to work in the office home where they may not have the suitable facility to work ?

    It just something that the above will become resentful of and make them consider other opportunities.

    And as a result you will have the people who are capable and happy to do their job from their homes moving to companies that facilitate that without any hybrid agreements.

    I always see hybrid as a "comfort blanket".

    It gives employees who feel very lucky to be able to do some sort of WFH the comfort to know that they are not going to have to be in the office all week.

    And it gives companies the comfort to know that their office investment is not totally down the drain.

    But in reality it will cause a divergence and in time it will be come rarer, with both companies and employees finding out which works best for them, 100% WFH people will migrate to companies that allow 100% WFH, 100% in the office people will migrate to companies that have full office facilities i.e no restrictions etc.

    There will be a small in between that like to mix it , but it will be small.

    By the way this of course only applied to sectors where working from home is suitable, the knowledge sector as I have seen it referred to.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Except that that doesn’t fit in with all the polls over the last year indicate that the overwhelming majority want a mix of office AND home. only quite small proportions want 100% either way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭tigger123


    A lot of people, as referred to earlier, would prefer a hybrid, because it gives you the social aspect of working with your teammates, seeing your work buddies, and getting out of the house, while also cutting down on your wasted commuting time. It gives you the best of both worlds.

    As for your point about the investment in the office; a company can sell and move, or adjust their office space and reduce the rent their paying.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But the poll results may be a symptom of the "comfort blanket".

    More people would love to be 100% WFH but don't really feel it's something that they will be offered or can straight out ask for, thus they show support for hybrid.

    Also what about the poll question, does it say something like

    "How would you like to work in the Future"

    1 Day in the office

    2 Days in the office

    etc etc

    But no option for 0 days in the office, thus making it hybrid by default.

    While you are at it can you link some poll results please ?



  • Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That is true to be fair. Our company did a survey where only two people admitted to wanting full time WFH. From speaking to colleagues this number is really about 4-5 times higher. The survey was supposed to be anonymous but people are suspicious of that.

    Also, even in organisations where office attendance is voluntary right now, there will be certain managers encouraging it and therefore many employees will feel pressure to show their faces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Out of curiosity, what industry do you work in yourself? Wondering if you are speaking from personal experience here or our just hypothesising with no real world experience of remote work / hybrid working.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    IT, sys admin, so it's easy for me in that regard.

    As I have said before around here, 100% WFH is obviously only an option for some sectors

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    My Office re-opened 2 weeks ago, but no one is obligated to go in. If they want to they can, but spaces are limited and you must provide either proof of vaccine or a negative Covid test to get in. You have to book in advance and provide all your info , including reserving a specific desk to sit at for social distancing purposes.

    You also need to wear a mask at all times when away from your desk

    Officially there are about 1,000 people employed at the location , but pre-pandemic the average would have been about ~700 on site on any given day (WAY less on Monday/Friday) as we've had full remote work as an option for years.

    I know of 1 person that went to the office last week and they reckoned there was less than 100 people on site in total. Anecdotally almost no one is going back to the office on a regular basis , but some have "taken a trip" in as a once off for a change.

    I doubt my company will change the current guidance unless the Government advice changes , but the attendance levels are quite manageable I'd say for them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Same as our place, senior manager waxing lyrical about our survey that showed most wanted a hybrid model.

    But ignoring the fact that 0 days in the office was not a option on said survey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,617 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    The 1 reason I have in relation to a hybrid is it breaks up the home as also your office and gives a disconnect. Yes comutting and all that is bad and is a real negative I just think it is a good thing for your health to be out. Maybe hubs could be done in various places (if possible) in your work that could serve the same thing with less of a commute



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  • Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Almost 5,500 cases today, that's a massive jump and one of the highest daily figures we've ever had. Allowing WFH is one of the easiest measures the govt can put in place and yet they're still dithering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,807 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Offices and public transport are unlikely to be major contributors though. WFH is fiddling on the margins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    It's probably a big link between nightclub goers and non nightclub goers. The workplace would have such a variety if people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    What is the next step with WFH for the government?

    NPHET letter has been published to the government re-introduce WFH where possible restrictions.

    When do the government meet to discuss the letter?



  • Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The cabinet meeting on Tuesday. No urgency around it at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Nuts that several days are wasted, causing more unnecessary spread of the virus in indoor offices while we await what should be a simple decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    There was talk they could meet Monday. So fingers crossed for anyone being forced in for no good reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Cdemess


    They need to get the big games in the Aviva over and done with before locking down the country again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    I'm thinking they'll try to drag it out until 23rd or 24th December and then lock it down again.



  • Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    WFH where possible does not equate to lockdown though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    That's true.

    My comment is in relation to the general picture which in hindsight is probably off topic.



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