Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

It always Gawls me he is continually misrepresentating himself on his Twitter handle.

She didn't put it in a proposal, it was put into a proposal to be presented to her for a decision to be made but it didn't get that far, it was removed within 3 hours.

Sticking to the truth is not pedantic, it may be inconvenient when you're pushing a false narrative but if untruths aren't called out and challenged we'll end up in a basket case situation like, oh I don't know, brexit itself?

Correct but since when did the truth ever prevent those infected with the cult of Brexit from perversely reimagining what they wished had actually happened and then presenting it as the historical truth?

The Brexit chickens are coming home to roost, it won't be too long until the people who were completely hoodwinked into voting for Brexit turn on the snake oil salesmen (and women) who sold them the empty dream of sunny Brexit uplands but by then the damage will be done and a whole generation (at least) and several industries will be lost before the worst effects of Brexit can be reversed.

Former AUS PM Keating very critical of AUKUS deal and says Britain “is like an old theme park sliding into the Atlantic compared to modern China”.

Says Australia has lost its way in foreign policy and should not be throwing in with UK and US against China.

This comment has to be the cheekiest:

“They might remind themselves that no government and no country has a greater ability in stability and security in Northern Ireland and the Belfast Good Friday agreement than this government.”

I mean really. Sounds like some sort of veiled threat. If ever there was an indication that the UK is using NI as a pawn, that must surely be it.

Also, Leo comments:

Speaking earlier on Wednesday, the Irish deputy prime minister, Leo Varadkar, stressed that retaliatory action from the EU would be expected if the UK activated article 16, thus suspending checks on goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

Varadkar said: “I think that would be a big mistake. The uncertainty that was created by Brexit went on for years. I’d hate us to be talking again about a no-deal Brexit or a cliff edge, or any of those terms that we’d forgotten and almost stopped using.”

Interesting to hear from Tony Connelly that France and Germany are the two states who most favour strong retaliation against the Brexit Govt if they trigger A16.

Cornwall have been getting shafted for years but thanks to all the old people and the brain drain it is a solid blue county. Devon is the same and I've never seen as many Conservative clubs per head of population as I did around Tor Bay.

Tories don't have to spend a penny on the place and will still win it hands down

Full marks to Tony Connolly. He keeps us well informed.

Found this interesting also... The Daily Mail seem to have taken a turn and have begin criticising the government lately - new editor I understand?

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1458567640700661763?s=20

The Tories are running out of allies at a rapid rate at this point.

I mean, they effectively rallied the country against the EU as holding the UK back, but then quite obviously failed in delivering a 'successful Brexit' (oxymoron), and now have almost no one to blame as the corruption, sleaze, and incompetence is laid bare.

I mean, even holding a climate conference in your 'country' as you literally pump shıt into your rivers and seas. It's all just a bit mad, and people are getting fed up. And once the tabloids turn on you...

I put this in the irish protocol thread but I also think it’s very Brexit related, how I think they can’t possibly invoke article 16 now.

“Today on the 11th Nov 21, Taking a lot of opinions ,both journalistic and political into account, I now think Frosty and Johnson (to use a colloquial term )have shot their load , and completely misjudged the mood .

The disastrous and quantifiable consequences of Invoking article 16 now , would not only be totally stupid , but totally predictably stupid , which would be therefore unforgivable by the UK public, following the considered consequences which the EU have been patiently preparing for.

The Uk must be the worst negotiators in the the world, as regards subtlety.

Now, the protocol appears to be gaining exponential positive support on the ground in NI daily. (Šefčovič took the time to find out the mood in NI on the ground unlike Frosty)

So, every week that goes by , makes binning the successful Protocol less achievable , and at this stage unrealistic , showing up the UK negotiators as the bullshitters that they are . Either that or totally stupid , which is not an outside possibility.

Many, many years ago I was told first hand by a theology professor, that in negotiation, “there’s nothing more dangerous than a Stupid man “ I’ve lived by this advice successfully and found it most helpful, However I would now add that something more dangerous could be many stupid-er men .”