Question about Options to get a new EV with minimum 350km even in winter at motorway speeds?

Yeah i figured that. EV are way better than diesel But in this case, would it not make sense to just have the expense of one car and have the diesel?

Yet the Government thinks they can have 1 million of them on the roads in the next 9 year's.

Delusional.

they should talk to a Nissan dealer about an Ariya, the trade in on the Leaf might be more than you think

why do you say the range is less than 350KM

Does it have to be new? Would suggest a second hand Ioniq PHEV or similar. We went from our 151 Leaf to one a few months ago and I'm delighted with it. Heated seats, steering wheel etc.

If he gets a phev, it will be a saving on insurance tax servicing nct etc, one car expenses basically . All of your local trips on electricity and no need to worry about range, fuel economy is nothing to be concerned about, done 660 km in a BMW 225xe 1.5 charges and returned 5.6l/100 km or 50 mpg, it has life time average of 1.8 l /100km , 157 mpg.

I would recommend a BMW 225 xe , nice and high seats easy to get in and out of, plus plenty of room for a smallish looking car. expensive but I think all value is gone since brexit.

What car will save him 1000's of euro?

They way things are going a 10 minute charge is going to be after a queue and its kind of embarrassing to be asking for electricity.

Or just wait until the new chinese yolk that has been highly reviewed arrives...

Probably best to stick with what they have for the time being, and move up to a SH Kona or Leaf 62kwH or ID.3 if they are able to charge reliably during the trip. Obviously, nothing below 40k can do 350km in the winter and even there are caveats on speed in poor weather. ID.3 Tour would be great, but is too expensive. Upgrading to a 50-80k EUR car would seem madness for anyone except high-income working people who have lots of disposable income (or credit....).

A 180km car in winter itself would need at least a 50kWh battery. See also Zoe ZE50, Opel e-corsa, Peugout e205, etc.

How does an automatic golf with similar power compare price wise to an ID3 these days?

Edit: I just looked it up there and picked the base Golf and ID3. Haven't looked at standard spec on both but the Golf has alloys and the ID3 doesn't. iD3 has more BHP. I'd assume it's the 58KW battery in the ID3.

Is there any possibility of upgrading the 'destination' electrics to even take the granny charger safely? It seems the cheaper option compared to buying a new car.

Well I'm only going on discussions with work colleagues.

EVs have come up in conversation over this last week with many of the folk I work with, what with COP26 etc being on the news.

A couple have changed to self charging hybrids, but most have said they aren't planning to change to an ev any time soon. If say if they ever do, it'll be a hybrid too.

Had much the same conversation and its diesel all the way, no interest in hybrids of any sort, one guy even mentioned green diesel to avoid fuel increases, in my own family 2 phevs and 1 ID4 coming January.

Any time soon could be 1 to 2 years just. And we will all change to what the market provides. Nothing else.

Just beware with that set up there is a few catches.

16amp is half the normal 32amp home charge point rate, thus doubling your charge time.

In terms of wiring it would be much the same to get a 32 amp large blue socket.

With either set up you have no load sensing so if they have a 7kW or 9kW instant shower and say the oven on and immersion heater there is a risk of blowing main esb fuse. Not a safety issue as such, but it means all power off until ESB arrives and they may require electrian sign off before they agree to reconnect.

With this set up you can also accidentally disconnect the blue plug while charging is happening. This cannot happen with a proper charge point where the plug is locked in. If car is drawing 32amp, which it can and will do for hours, that's a lot of wear and tear for the blue plug and socket and if it's not used much and a but rusty you may have a bad connection sooner than a few years, risking overheating. Normally granny charging cables have an overheat sensor in the plug to detect work plug and house sockets. If plug gets hot charging stops or slows before plug overheats. That protection is not in place with blue socket.

You may require extension leads in many real world cases, extension leads don't have temperature sensing at house plug end.

If routinely or regularly charging use a proper charge point, if you must save money maybe buy a second hand one, bit it's something that adds to a houses value, and could be used for 20+ years.

Fair enough, if the phev has enough battery range to cover the 'normal' weekday driving that's a fair option.

What is the diesel/what sort of money is it worth? Just to give total budget?

Not sure what that has to do with the issue at hand here but OK......

OP: A PHEV will remove the whole having to charge issue that might occur on the long 350km trip as they would be starting out with 40 - 60km range on battery in the vehicle and the remainder of the trip will be on petrol (most PHEVs are petrol). For pottering around local distances, a PHEV would suit as well as it can be used during the day, within the battery range and then at night it can be charged at home. The petrol in the tank will then most likely only be used on the long journey.

I picked up a PHEV earlier this year (2019 Ioniq) for €17500 but prices have gone up since. €20k or thereabouts should see you in a reasonable second-hand PHEV.

The 500 mile batteries cost way more and only last half as long.

Have a look at abetterrouteplanner website or app, you can change the car, weather etc and it'll plan that route for you. If it's on a main motorway there are loads of fast charging options now and one 15-20 min stop should do that trip in a ~50kwh battery car. Will give you an idea of how suitable the various options are anyway.

Model 3 just got a bigger 60kwh battery in the cheapest version, if there's Superchargers on their route would be very easy and fast.