Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

mobyduck · 02-11-2021 08:45AM

Yeah range jump from 448 to 491kms is significant and could persuade a few to save some €€€. Thought it was bumping a bit close to LR range but then saw that LR will bump from 580 to 614kms soon.

Moreilly · 02-11-2021 09:20AM

I think the SR+ has lost the SR and gained a 60kWh battery...

AndyBoBandy · 02-11-2021 09:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118105420#Comment_118105420

60kWh battery with 55kWh usable.

these should now sell by the bucketload given the price difference to the LR…..

Am I Evil? · 02-11-2021 10:56AM

I wonder will the Q4 2021 delivery of SR Model 3 cars have this upgraded battery. Bit disappointed by the acceleration dropping truth be told, hopefully they bring this back down with an update

eeloe · 02-11-2021 11:25AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118105792#Comment_118105792

It's a bigger battery, surely there has to be a bit of a trade off somewhere.

Am I Evil? · 02-11-2021 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118105916#Comment_118105916

Seems not, just off the phone to tesla support. They've confirmed to me that anyone taking delivery in Q4 and ordered before today will gain the additional range and keep the previous 0-100 acceleration (as advertised when ordered) . Anyone taking delivery from Feb 2022 will have the extended range and the slower 0-100 time.

02-11-2021 11:34AM

The acceleration loss is probably due to loss of the larger (performance) motor that was fitted on the LFP cars. It's a good way to differentiate between the SR and LR models which now again share the same rear motors as was the case before the LFP batteries were introduced.

That's what I think anyway seeing the new spec.

AndyBoBandy · 02-11-2021 11:40AM

They are reducing the acceleration time by .5 seconds so they can sell it back to you via a software upgrade later, similar to what's available on the LR currently.

02-11-2021 11:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118106006#Comment_118106006

It remains to be seen. I still think that its cost cutting as Tesla really went to town to mitigate the expected performance hit when they introduced the heavier LFP pack by upgrading the rear motor. That actually made that SR+ variant quicker than the earlier lighter NMC SR+.

Am I Evil? · 02-11-2021 11:52AM

I was planning to push my delivery to Feb but with this range increase, having a trade in potentially devalue and tesla reducing the acceleration on '22 model 3 cars. I'm going to pull the trigger and enjoy my Christmas gift to myself

As pointed above though, I absolutely see Tesla offering a paid software option on the new models to increase the speed. Customer rep insisted they cant see this occurring but they would say that..

Le Bruise · 02-11-2021 02:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118105961#Comment_118105961

I just asked similar on the chat feature. They confirmed the extended range for Q4 alright, but thought it'd be with the slower acceleration (he wasn't 100% though). Would be delighted if the person you were speaking to is correct!

Gile_na_gile · 02-11-2021 06:21PM

Aside from the software-limited acceleration, I think there are some nice incremental changes to the Model 3 which may put downward pressure (finally) on pre-MIC NMC SR+ models from 192 to 202 in the second hand market. On the other hand, the miniscule pool of available cars may keep it high, and push people to pay the extra 6-8k for all these incremental improvements and a new warranty and new car. Hard to justify 43/44k for a 20k km 192 SR+ versus a new model for a bit more with heat pump, 'bigger' (LFP) battery, powered tailgate, better insulated, and better fittings and build quality. I am hoping the Model Y from Germany will help decrease the price a touch in 2022/23 when I will look to swap.

reni10 · 02-11-2021 06:43PM

I got my Model 3 SR+ in Sep and a little bit miffed now I did not wait until Q4 as the extra range would have been very handy for the few longer trips that I do as there are no superchargers along any of the routes I take and I have to rely on the eCars network!

That extra 40 to 50kms would have made a difference for me on those longer trips and probably would have made the trips possible without a charge at all!

AmberGold · 02-11-2021 08:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108353#Comment_118108353

Given the current situation you can likely sell it for what you paid and order a new one!

reni10 · 02-11-2021 08:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108772#Comment_118108772

I would do that but I also need a car every day so could not sell now and wait until Feb unfortunately :)

Am I Evil? · 02-11-2021 09:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118107003#Comment_118107003

There seems to be some confusion around. On other Tesla forums I look at some people were being told different things. I ended up going onto Tesla online chat earlier and got chatting to a Dublin customer care rep. He rang off the back of this chat to discuss in more detail... They had an internal memo issued out to them earlier today which notified them of the range increase along with the new 0-100 time. The same memo also stated that any existing pending orders due for Delivery in Q4 and without a designated VIN would avail of the higher range and the existing 0-100 time of 5.6secs (not the new 6.1). Anyone with a VIN before today would avail of the SR+ specs as per the order day and anyone ordering beyond this point will recieve the extended range model with the 6.1 0-100 time. He believes Tesla will probably offer a speed boost via paid software sometime next year, like the current Long Range has.

Anyways, that's all I know for now. The rep mentioned he'd give me a call if anything changes but usually by now If there was an error on the memo it would definitely have been corrected.

Edit - just to add. The actual change seems to be a new efficient motor. It's not a battery increase. At least, this was his belief but couldn't be 100% sure as the internal memo didn't state the reason for the change

slave1 · 02-11-2021 09:06PM

Tesla already fast as be jazuz, I'd take the range increase thank you very much

Am I Evil? · 02-11-2021 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109172#Comment_118109172

Definitely but seems anyone willing to take delivery in Q4 will get a best of both worlds option - extended range and the faster 0-100 time. As with everything Tesla though, pinch of salt until we actually get our hands on the car

AmberGold · 02-11-2021 09:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118108798#Comment_118108798

You could buy a cheap car (sub 7k was my target) to keep the show on the road for a few months. Sold my own car last week and driving one myself while I wait for a new M3 Feb delivery.

The trade seen to be offering strong money for Tesla’s which takes the pain out of selling. Picking up a cheap car that won’t let you down and you won’t lose your shirt on is more of a challenge.

AndyBoBandy · 02-11-2021 09:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109172#Comment_118109172

Yeah…. For the same price there’s an additional 82km of (WLTP) range from the car I bought vs the car someone is going to get in Q4….

add to that the refresh features like powered trunk open/close, built in wireless charger, chrome delete etc…… and I’d have a new one in a heartbeat……

it’s giving me serious thoughts about selling mine privately and ordering a new one with the increased range…… I have a 2nd car in the house so could survive without the Model 3 for a few weeks if needed…… and given how used car prices are currently going, I probably wouldn’t lose a whole lot on my 20 month old SR+……..

serious food for thought…..

Moreilly · 03-11-2021 12:43PM

looking at changing my ioniq 28 next year, Looking (or dreaming, not sure!) at the Ioniq 5 and the tesla model 3, very hard to decide.

Have already driven the Ioniq 5,very nice car on the road,and good acceleration - bit floaty on the corners but not bad though.

Just took the tesla model 3 for a test drive as well on monday, I have to say the model 3 feels great on the road -well planted, just point and accelerate. Very easy car to drive and with the new range upgrade to the basic model, range is not a problem.

BUT... when i got into the model 3 i felt the car felt a little cheap compared to the ioniq 5, the interior of the Ioniq seemed light years ahead of the tesla, things like the sound of the door closing, door handles, touch points and overall feel of the cabin, the ambient lighting set up, light bar on the front and rear of the outside is a nice design touch as well. Rear space on the ioniq feels more like sitting in a lounge... very spacious

But....... the features like sentry, netflix, 'autopilot', and general software is quite nice on the tesla......plus it's a tesla... !

has anybody here test driven both? or any opinion, my head is wrecked !! :)

03-11-2021 12:54PM

I don't believe teh WLTP ranges on any cars these days as it is hard to figure out what real changes are being made under the skin.

It could be a case they learnt how to drive the pre-defined route better than when first submitted for testing.

PSA have pushed up WLTP range on their cars with no obvious changes to hardware.

Some Tesla changes are for the better, some for the worse.

Youtube range test videos tell you what you need to know.

Disclaimer: Tesla do appear to be the best with regard to eeking out best real-world range from any particular car/motor/battery combination so I'm not singling them out for criticism.

AndyBoBandy · 03-11-2021 01:23PM

I dunno!! the WLTP in my Model 3 SR+ is 409km, and I've easily reached it on a fairly regular drive I'd do down to my mothers house and back.

Its a 50km round trip from Rush down to Artane Castle shopping centre and back, so its rural, motorway & urban all in one (at least 12-14 km of it at 120km/h), so probably not a million miles away from the WLTP test..... The only time I won't hit the WLTP rating is when the temperature is below about 12 degrees and the wind/rain is up...., but usually for most of the year, I can hit the WLTP on that particular trip, and can exceed it with a light foot (a few times I've done the trip and achieved 10kWh/100km, which is putting me in 500km range territory!!

Since owning the car, my average consumption over 20 months & 43,000km is 14.6KwH/100km, giving me an average range of 342km. (there's a lot of motorway miles in there)

summer motorway at 120km/h is about 290-300km, winter is about 230-240km, then local Dublin driving (including plenty of M1/M50) is around the 350-400km mark, depending on weather and where I'm going. So by and large, I'm fairly happy with the range of the car vs what is advertised.

Having said that I'd still love the 491km WLTP Model 3, as I'd see that as giving an additional 50-60km of range on average compared to my SR+

jusmeig · 03-11-2021 01:34PM

So this happened. They are deep scratches, not just paint the body would be damaged.

Anyone had anything similar happen/repaired?

Guessing its not gonna be cheap...

eeloe · 03-11-2021 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112227#Comment_118112227

Not as bad as you'd think!

Get a couple of quotes and get it done ASAP...i've a scratch on my current car at the moment and the scratch is after making me stop taking as good care of the vehicle than i normally would.

eagerv · 03-11-2021 02:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118112227#Comment_118112227

Had something similar on my last car, except on two panels. Got it done by an excellent fella, cost €250. Get it done and forget about it..🙂

Fitz II · 03-11-2021 02:58PM

Mine came brand new with that sort of damage, I think its a feature, speed lines maybe. Simple enough repair 300 euro ish.

sk8board · 04-11-2021 12:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118109172#Comment_118109172

Same. not sure how any of you will notice the 0.5s diff in 0-100 time in an instant-torque ev - in a car that’s already as fast as a hot hatch

Kramer · 04-11-2021 12:33AM

Since owning the car, my average consumption over 20 months & 43,000km is 14.6KwH/100km, giving me an average range of 342km.

You've approx. 45kWh usable on your SR+ so your average 100% to 0% range is 300km.

Regular charging to 100% in the earlier SR+ models isn't recommended & no one ever plans on driving to 0%. I reckon 90% to 10% is a more usable range. At 15kWh/100km, with 36kWhs (90% to 10%), you've a usual, 240km range car.

At 18-20kWh/100km, winter, motorway etc., you ain't getting even half of the WLTP 🤨.

Sure, you can hypermile it to 500kms during the summer (I did over 300kms in a 28kWh Ioniq!), but these WLTP figures are farcical.

Kramer · 04-11-2021 12:46AM

has anybody here test driven both? or any opinion, my head is wrecked !! :)

I've driven both. They are very, very different cars! I wouldn't have thought anyone after a mid size SUV (CUV?) would also be considering a medium sized saloon. They are so, so different.

OK, the Tesla has a boot. It's not a hatchback. That's a big difference right there & a major drawback with the Model 3.

It's also significantly more expensive than the entry level Ioniq 5 - close on €13/14k?

I'd rule out Netflix & other gimmicks to be honest. I usually don't spend long enough sitting in the car to bother with Netflix & I'd say most Tesla owners just show it off to friends but rarely use it too. 15/20 minutes charging - would you really need Netflix?

Make a pros/cons list & think of what you really need in a car. A Tesla badge is worthless if you can't carry home a table from IKEA or some plants from the garden centre 😀.

Best of luck with your decision anyway!

Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

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