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PUP fraud €183k, should the guilty be stripped of citizenship?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Yes maybe. But that would also mean they get off prison ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Seems they're both from Nigeria. I'm sure there'll be cooperation with the German banks/EU to help get further into this, but for now the 2 of them have cost the state enough already, they should be sent back. No ifs, ands or buts. Imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    They seem to be blatantly exploiting their Irish citizenship for personal gain by fraud. We seem to have the idea of citizenship arseways here at the moment it favours the individual rather than the nation.

    Post edited by Montage of Feck on

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    How did the post office permit so many accounts to be opened.


    Suggests a security flaw.



  • Registered Users Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Juran


    I'll be very interested to see how this unfolds. I predict suspended sentences and the taxi driver will be back at work within weeks, and both will stay in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,123 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Of course they should have their citizenship and residency revoked.


    Strange world that that is not a given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    A great little country indeed....

    No wonder many Nigerians refer to Ireland as 'treasure island'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    These guys must be laughing at how easy it is to play the system, no wonder Nigerans are so keen to come here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,480 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    A drop in the ocean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Has joe Duffy and rte been on championing this fraud yet? Asking how they are expected to live on a mere 183k over 18 months...

    I can see that Duffy gobshite, having your man on and telling him " shure isnt it awful you were caught "...



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Careful now lads, I'm sure someone will be along soon to tell us we're all racist...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    They will be made heroes out of. They showed the system isnt working. Expect the freedom of the city and a free gaf if they dont already have one...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,960 ✭✭✭billyhead


    It's a joke of a country. Try going over to Nigeria as an Irishman and claim the dole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Prison and then deport ,but our current minister of justice doesn't believe in deporting foreign criminals,



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    As a start no money should be returned to the Nigerian government until the costs associated with their citizens are paid in full



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    Work them til they pay it all back then deport them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Not the sharpest tools in the shed are they

    “The Chairman” must be some bell end if these two are his main earners



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    CA xenophobia is alive and well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    It's a pity our "free press" is unwilling to investigate how these Nigerians ended up living in Ireland. I'd be very certain that whatever asylum claims they might have made were bogus. It's not as if having loads of fake passports is different than what you might claim asylum for.

    It won't be followed up for fear of upsetting the direct provision objectors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,210 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The chairman as 140k or thereabouts in his arse pocket. I'd say he did alright out of the expendable gobshites (if he exists)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,960 ✭✭✭billyhead


    Straight deport. Can't afford to be wasting more taxpayers money on these chancers. The legal system is another joke with the appeals process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Yes - we give out citizenship too cheaply, should be any involvement in serious fraud etc within 10 years- out the gap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭corks finest




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Our country is a fuc***g joke laughed at and abused by whomever lands here illegally,I’ve 2 neighbours left in the lurch by Africans as soon they got their citizenship, both chaps came in illegally- this is going on for years ,

    between this and arranged false marriages, Lithuanian drug gangs, Romanian atm scammer’s, it’s about shagging time we wised up, look after IRISH homeless first, suspend foreign aid , sort out Ireland 🇮🇪 then and only then think about foreign aid, ps I don’t care what ppl think this is an honest appraisal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Zak Flaps


    Without a shadow of a doubt they should be booted out of the country. I can't understand why they shouldn't be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,960 ✭✭✭billyhead


    The problem is the racist card comes into play with all the do gooders. As you said we need to sort out are own problems with homelessness first than wasting taxpayers money on these spongers, wasters and frauds. Now not all of these immigrants are and some are hard working and want to contribute to society and the economy and integrate into our culture but for the rest.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Rene Colossal Fashion


    Well, two parts of the INC Act 1956 were ruled unconstitutional not too long ago, so there'll be no revocation of any citizenship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭.42.


    Funny enough there was 10s of millions of euro fraudulently claimed by 1000s of Irish people with PUP . Still happening today.

    Government should be rounding these people up also and have all of them in court over the next few years to recover the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Quite agree 👍btw I’ve close friends Romanian and Nigerian so am being honest, sons mum is Romanian so definitely not racist but finding it on here that the racist card comes out too quickly- country is in trouble



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭corks finest




  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Up At Fleecies


    Send them packing back to whence they came, if your on the take and here for a scam, back to your home country, no ifs no buts, be gone!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I was on PUP for about 2 weeks last April. I was taken aback at how easy it was. Basically you just needed a PPS Number.

    Anybody who had have worked or lived in Ireland at any stage could have signed up for it. And could still be on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    While I absolutely agree that if citizenship is obtained on false papers or other fraud it should be revoked and the people deported, I don't see how you could administer removing citizenship for other reasons.

    If a person is made a citizen then that's it, they are a citizen. This presumes that citizenship is only granted to people with clean criminal records. Otherwise you are giving them provisional citizenship, you can be Irish as long as you behave.

    Do you have a sliding scale of offences for which someone can be stripped of their citizenship? Can it be revoked for a motoring offence? Where do you start. And what about people who have given up their original citizenship, where would they be deported to? Its far more complex than just saying 'throw out all dodgy Nigerians'. If they (or any other nationality) are all that dodgy then don't let them in in the first place, or at least don't give them citizenship.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fraud during a pandemic?

    20-years in prison, then a third-class flight back to Nigeria with a permanent ban to enter any EU country for life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,935 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    FFS. How many cases are there of Irish citizens committing fraud and never is there a suggestion that they lose their citizenship?

    But we've a shower of geniuses on here who thinks it is a legitimate option to have two different types of punishment for the same crime with the determining factor being whether someone was granted citizenship or just awarded it at birth.

    There was an item in the news last week about a property owner who tried to evict people squatting in a property. He too has been found guilty of fraud and other offences. I bet many of the people cheering him last week, are cheering the idea in the OP this week.

    But no, no racism here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭Dante


    100% should be stripped of his citizenship, jailed, then deported.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Absolutely, there is a distinction!

    If you are lucky enough to be awarded Irish Citizenship, that is more than just an honour! It's widely sought-after recognition - legal gold dust. If you then receive that citizenship and abuse it, you absolutely deserve to be crucified (figuratively) compared to the native citizen.

    In fact, it takes a particularly disgusting kind of person to engage in this kind of crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Irish people committing fraud, or breaking the law should be convicted accordingly, regardless of their wealth. Anyone who was awarded citizenship & who commits a crime (one strike for serious stuff, three strikes for minor stuff) should be ejected from this country, again regardless of their wealth. No ifs, no buts. Gone, bye bye.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    You shipping the jail back to Nigeria with him or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,935 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Once someone is awarded citizenship, they're Irish.

    Prosecute them as such but we also have laws about discrimination.

    You can't hold a bigger threat over someone just by virtue of the fact that they were awarded citizenship.

    There's literally laws against doing so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,485 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Tell me how How many cases are there of Irish citizens committing fraud and never is there a suggestion that they lose their citizenship?


    How many cases of people coming here for international protection and asylum lied repeatedly and scammed the system ,

    90 % + ?

    They came here for a better life of crimes and better rewards with little or no consequences for their actions from drugs , murder ,rape , people trafficking .why shouldn't they be deported , maybe its time we ban dual citizenship from Africa and elsewhere and no option to gain citizenship in the first place.


    Let blame racism how original



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Seems the problem so is we need to change our Citizenship policy. Maybe every "given" citizenship should come with the caveat that any major crime means revocation. Put a time limit on it if the bleeding hearts are too upset. 10 years. We should only be giving that to people who contribute and benefit Ireland.

    Will never happen though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Pretty sure we all know or have in our own families people who have bled the state for money, houses and everything in between with extremely little chance of recompense to the taxpayer.

    Can we deport them to Nigeria too?

    I ask this because I have a strong feeling it would include about half of the posters on page 1 of this thread 😅



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan



    How does anyone get a free gaff? Anyway, as for revoking their citizenship, I think the only way that can happen is if it can be proved that the person gave false information on the application. You can't just be stripped of your citizenship if you commit a crime.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    It doesn't work that way. All citizens are the same whether naturalized, born in country or citizend by sanguinis (blood right). A naturalized citizen is not less of a citizen than a born citizen, so get that idea out of your head.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Don't know where you pulled the 90+% figure from.


    Only about 20% of asylum applications are approved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27 hustlenbustle


    20percent might be approved but those rejected dont tend to leave. These two really are no addition to any country and should be sent back. The suggestion made of once made a citizen/ given asylum and being told that within a certain amount of time if u commit a crime you're deported is a good one. It would remove these two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,676 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Ireland is a republic with a constitutional guarantee of equality before the law. It is fundamentally repugnant to this notion to suggest that there should be two classes of citizen, one whose citizenship can be revoked if they fail to display proper civic virtues and another whose citizenship cannot be revoked in similar circumstances. Other countries may choose have first- and second-class citizens, but we should not.



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