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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Trudeau, Morrison and Simon Harris quotes are fact. Can look up the videos yourself. You're just pulling the "CT" card to try shut down discussion.

    We'll leave it there, anyway. See you in 2025 when your overlords tell you it's safe to take off your mask 😄

    Just kidding, goodnight 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    The Covid certs, Green passes etc are here to stay I'm afraid, this will be all part of the new normal. Would never have thought this a year ago myself , but I guess the conspiracy theorists were right on this one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Are you sure it's not a booster for people who have had to have a third jab due to being immune suppressed? Because that's miles apart from a second booster for the general public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,856 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    But students and house parties would erupt if nightclubs were shut again, would they not?

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    So what is really happening?

    • we have a high level of vaccinations but more can be done - the HSE became complacent and could be far more creative on getting into the community -
    • we are being slow in respect to boosters -
    • the vaccine is making this virus far less serious…but it is still a virus and is continuing to spread -
    • the unvaccinated are primarily the ones who are getting seriously ill (50% + of ICU) -
    • people are making up their own minds in terms of personal safety with many people rightfully looking at risks -
    • the health system as It has been for at least 20 years is continuing to struggle and this will get worse with an ageing population -
    • NPHET and the HSE continue to be selective with data on those in hospital settings -
    • NPHET are back to advocating restrictions and still have no appreciation that we cannot continue to have the economy on life support to protect a dis functioning health service -


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The definition in the law is very broad and covers anywhere that sells food or drinks (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) that can be consumed on the premises. It doesn't have to be a pub of a restaurant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Anywhere you can buy food and sit indoors to eat it is covered so that includes Centra etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It's intriguing to see the return of NPHET briefings, News outlets showing a new interest in the pandemic (most had reduced it to an aside), morning Ireland pretty much dedicating most of this morning show to it, including reports from across Europe and Russia.

    The NPHET briefing yesterday was filled with ambiguity, nothing really definitive to explain what's going on, a slight toning down of the it's the unvaccinateds fault rethoric, indeed a tame admission the vacinnes have Not preformed as they hoped.

    Norma Foley still in denial about school outbreaks and yet a large outbreak in her own constituency reported and has spread like wildfire.

    Also news this morning the Covid app only reporting 6% of positive cases.

    Meanwhile Ticketing guidelines being published (Alledgedly) later to day, a week after opening and major push back by industry.

    Hopefull seems to be the approach, it just perplexing at this stage. I was left with only four thoughts yesterday.

    Are the Blind leading the Blind 🤔

    All the experts concerned, worried, alarmed, Politicians shrugging their shoulders🤔

    What excuses will they come up with now the unvaccinated blame game being proven, utter nonsense. 🤔

    Have we moved to a Hopefully, Fingers crossed approach to dealing with this developing situation. 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Stephen Donnelly up later on PK, I'm feeling underwhelmed before he even opens his mouth

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Yeah it must be all those 5-12 year olds going to nightclubs that are the problem alright!!!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    True.But Holohan did say last night they hadn't been as effective as hoped.It just gives an indication into their thought process now I guess....what next? Continuing as is, I would hope, to see what natural progression the numbers take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭foxsake


    I'll look later I'm busy today - no time for the back and forth





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    RTE reporting that clubs won't get the 2-week grace period they asked for

    So they give 24 hours for clubs to implement online ticketing system for the weekend, that will go down well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    It seems they are putting snap lockdowns back on the table.

    It's like a never ending nightmare at this stage, it's like we are on some sort of loop. At what point do they stop and announce that we are just going to have to live with the virus and if we are sick, stay home. End of.

    Then someone needs to seriously look into the HSE because it can't be possible that they are in such a dire situation with all the money they've received.

    Shambles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    A lockdown is "almost all but" ruled out "for now".

    Gee that's nice.

    They're always not-happening until they happen. The time from saying we might go into lockdown until we are stuck in one is usually a few days.

    Do all the people who got angry at me for saying there might be more lockdowns get it now? They're only off the table or unlikely until they aren't.

    We're only on the cusp of winter and we're already seeing an *increase* in restrictions - Varadkar is talking about extending covid passes to more places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Not ruling something out doesn't mean it will happen and TBH given the loose planning for the hospitality sector it would be better to have an actual plan ready to go IF needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    What does "live with the virus" mean though ? Does it mean ignore it, carry on as we were and whatever happens, happens, or does it mean some adjustments have to be made to our lives and the way we live them to allow us to live as close to normal as possible while the pandemic lasts ?

    I'm not advocating snap lockdowns or anything of the sort, I don't think they're even remotely necessary, but I do think its time we accepted that our 2019 lives are not coming back, they might get 99% back but its never going to be exactly the same. No world event that I can think of has ever not had lasting consequences. Look at the changes to air travel we still have, 20 years after 9/11.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,983 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It is now a live option and we are at the start of winter.

    Whether it happens or not the accusations of self-indulgent pessimism thrown around already look very silly.

    We could easily be in lockdown in 2 weeks, a month, Christmas or the long cold snap from January to March.

    Basically we are heading into five months of bad weather...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,104 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I really wish someone in government would take control of the whole thing. Far too many chiefs throwing their tuppence worth around the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like the second wave of Delta is kicking off everywhere unfortunately. With 70% of hospitalsations vaccinated in Belgium they are to reimpose some restrictions on Monday.


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,107 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    So my understanding (open to correction)

    The WHO have three barometers with regard to when public health measures need to be tweaked, re introduced etc. Let's put aside vaccination levels and that argument or the fact we've seen new case numbers over 1000 daily for quite some time

    1. Is the Pandemic under control 🤔 (NO)

    2. Can the countries health care system adapt/cope 🤔 (NO) 6 hospital groups now saying elective surgeries curtailed, cancelled.

    3. Is contract Tracing, survalence working, implemented etc etc 🤔 (NO) HSE seemed to have given up on that.

    3 out of 3 No's , not terribly inspiring and the WHO'S guidelines updated last May 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    Ireland is realistically too small for local lockdowns IMO and we don't have the ability to enforce them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    WHO also suggested against NZ and Australian zero COVID policies last year and praised China for containing the virus in January 2020

    I'm not saying we should or shouldn't listen to the WHO but sometimes they get it wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Listening there, he must have great eyesight with the amount of things he's "looking into"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    "With 70% of hospitalsations vaccinated in Belgium"

    Got a link to that claim that 70% in hospital over there are vaccinated ? Because I can find nothing to back that up. Something reputable please, not another one of your posts that turn out to be completely false.... remember you posted a picture claiming to be Trieste when it was infact Zurich in 2019.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Excellent post, I would love to see a year by year graph, with icu capacity! Share that around the interseb and so ial media like you say. Seeing as our media wont do it...

    How interesting that during these periods, the endless billions were wasted and squandered, rather than well spent



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    We’re heading the way of Australia if they try introduce another lockdown.



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