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Cops digging on Kildare/Wicklow border site

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    it’s my personal opinion that due to the sensitivity of the situation, the people onsite and the media should not report on anything other than the mission at hand , and refrain from ejaculating over a ring fort until after they close the search, plenty of time after to celebrate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    If that’s the case then why the click bait headline ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    ..

    Post edited by Esel on

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,844 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Can't delete a post on Vanilla.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    The search has completed :(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Per radio reports nothing of evidential value found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Still, at least they now can say with some confidence that the remains of the missing women are not to be found in that particular wood.



  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was poignant that this news only featured at nearly 25 minutes into the RTÉ News this evening - in contrast to what might have been had some evidence been found- I’m sure it’s a roller coaster for their poor families



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,441 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Devastating for the families I'm sure. Very sad. I'm sure it's incredibly frustrating for the Gardaí involved in the cases and the search as well. Meanwhile there is someone (or more than one someone) out there watching the news and knowing exactly where the guards should have been looking 😡



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    not quite, the area is absolutely massive and a specific tip off would be required, we need to hand larry over to the CIA for an hour to really see what he knows

    A chap on twitter said he tweeted the gardai to search the bog of allen....the bog is 950 sq km :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    The obsession with Larry Murphy could be counter-productive to these investigations.

    From a psychological perspective, it's easier to pin all of these crimes on one horrible guy. With Murphy, we have a name and face to put on the boogie man. Whether it's true or not, it makes us feel better than the alternative.

    What if all these women were taken by different people? That's quite a lot of killers loose on the streets. Not a nice thing to contemplate.

    If you take somewhere like the US, experts believe that there are 1,000's of active serial killers loose at any one time. The most horrible one's you can imagine, like Bundy and Dahmer etc, are only the ones that got caught. (and some of those guys were quite devious and clever too) Imagine the cleverness and cunning of those who never get caught. Obviously, a much larger country.

    And then you have the percentage of the population that experts say are psychopaths or have psychopathic tendencies. In fairness, statistically speaking, most of those people will never kill anyone. But they may have the ability or desire to do so.

    Even in a small country like Ireland, it's quite possible / probable that you have many killers that have never been caught. And perhaps even a few serial killers too.

    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭tara73


    what's that for a suggestion, handing over LM to the CIA??? what business has the CIA in Ireland, and if, what would/can they do differently than AGS??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I would agree, you only have to look at the abductions that were prevented to realise how many more women could be abducted. There was a recent case up the north and a few in Dublin where women fought back and the outcome was better, if they hadn't we would be dealing with more "triangles"



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pity nothing was found.....but short of an utter miracle,or a deathbed confession,i cant see what more can be done



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    that site and the last sighting of Jojo were so close i got my hopes up



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭tara73


    ah ok, and extreme torture brings out the truth of anybody, sure...I'm out of this one🙄.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    in the area of Usk alone, there are two quarries, one overgrown and one partly used and the area is densely wooded. So,unless the gardai have ground penetrating radar or Lidar or have brought in cadaver dogs, they are depending on pure luck to find anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,322 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    i was being silly,

    i have issues with larry and his silence, he was interviewed several times and remained silent and refused all treatment for his crime, and then had his manditory good behavior applied to his sentence, and i don't that's good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    I think it was mentioned that they were using dogs: (can't remember where I read that...)

    -- but dogs are sort of ambiguous...even if they don't Alert, it doesn't necessarily mean there's nothing there. And even if they DO, it may not be useful as evidence.

    However - a year or two ago, there was an upswing of Garda interest in quarries, around the Kildare/Wicklow area: and apparently connected with the Deirdre Jacob investigation. So your comment may go very close to the truth!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    If LM is still being watched by police and they think he did murder Deirdre, I imagine they would have had a good idea in advance If the dig would yield any success by his behaviour after the news of the new search became public.

    My heart goes out to the families.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,437 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Its already been long established that most of the cases involve different killers. Murphy is a serious suspect only in the case of Sarah Jacob and to a lesser extent Jo Jo Dollard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭tara73


    exactly. I think many people still think or it's actually held like this in the media, that LM is the main suspect of all the girls (about 7) in this so called vanishing triangle. but if you read the book from this Alain Baley it gets pretty clear he's, as you wrote, 'only' a suspect in this two cases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 468 ✭✭Shao Kahn


    Yeah, I was mostly commenting on the media's obsession with Murphy. Which obviously does drive a significant amount of the public focus on him.

    We seem to assume when women go missing, that they were the victim of a predator. And like I said, we prefer the idea of one horrible person rather than lots of perhaps random individual killers.

    Obviously women are more likely to be the victim of a predator. But when you look at the huge scale of missing people in the country in general, by far the most likely reason is suicide in most cases regardless of gender. There is a large amount of men who disappear without any trace in the country too, just like these women. But statistically, women are actually more likely to suffer from suicidal thoughts.

    Either way, it's always very sad when these digs turn up nothing useful. Sad for the families, but also for the prospect of future investigations. These digs take huge man power and resources. Most police forces do not have adequate resources to allocate to every missing person case. So they have to make educated assumptions on which cases deserve more resources. But it's still very much guess work. It's very possible that many of these missing women are not linked, and very possible that they could be suicides.

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    "Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives, and it puts itself into our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday." (John Wayne)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭tara73


    I'm not familiar with every missing person case in Ireland, but the theory that many missing people are cases of suicide is just bonkers. why and how! should a person who commits suicide prepare their death so their body is vanishing from the earth? should they dig themselves in the bog after being dead? even if you drown yourself with something heavy attached, chances you show up after not so long are very high. anyway...

    and if you read the book from Alain Bailey about the girls from the vanishing triangle there's not one where's even slightly considered to be a suicide..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    I agree: with the possible exception of one intriguing case...the disappearance of Eva Brennan in 1993, just a few months after Annie McCarrick had vanished. I really DID wonder why her case is never included in the list of mysterious disppearances! (Bailey barely mentions it in the book)

    Alays thought it had been dismissed as a suicide since the poor lady suffered from depression - but it still doesn't explain why she vanished so completely that no trace of her has ever been found! Suicides don't normally arrange to disappear their own bodies, as you said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    That is also questioned here, and includes Marilyn Rynn, who's body was found and David Lawler pleaded guilty to murder.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭tara73



    and there we are indeed back to LM in a way..David Lawler is the cousin of LM. Quite disturbing I think, two of them in the same family...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    Ye gods, that is really creepy. Coincidence? Or genetics?

    Edited to remove gratuitous remark, apologies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Were they cousins or just went to the same school/year?

    I remember reading a long time back that the two were connected, but I could be mixing up the stories with other things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    It seems they were both?



    Christ, it would make you wonder how many assaults and murders the two had committed before they were caught. And when did they start.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,351 ✭✭✭tara73


    https://www.thesun.ie/news/979455/shocking-documentary-shows-how-rapist-became-first-ever-in-ireland-to-be-caught-by-dna/ media says they are cousins. ok, it's the sun, but that article above says it also.

    edit: ah, didn't see you were the same poster asking the question and posting the link..so you also answered it yourself..😂

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