Cops digging on Kildare/Wicklow border site

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118069201#Comment_118069201

it’s my personal opinion that due to the sensitivity of the situation, the people onsite and the media should not report on anything other than the mission at hand , and refrain from ejaculating over a ring fort until after they close the search, plenty of time after to celebrate

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070865#Comment_118070865

If that’s the case then why the click bait headline ?

Esel

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Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072004#Comment_118072004

Wha?

Esel

Can't delete a post on Vanilla.

Ash.J.Williams

The search has completed :(

saabsaab

Per radio reports nothing of evidential value found.

Day Lewin

Still, at least they now can say with some confidence that the remains of the missing women are not to be found in that particular wood.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118075779#Comment_118075779

It was poignant that this news only featured at nearly 25 minutes into the RTÉ News this evening - in contrast to what might have been had some evidence been found- I’m sure it’s a roller coaster for their poor families

miamee

Devastating for the families I'm sure. Very sad. I'm sure it's incredibly frustrating for the Gardaí involved in the cases and the search as well. Meanwhile there is someone (or more than one someone) out there watching the news and knowing exactly where the guards should have been looking 😡

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118076727#Comment_118076727

not quite, the area is absolutely massive and a specific tip off would be required, we need to hand larry over to the CIA for an hour to really see what he knows

A chap on twitter said he tweeted the gardai to search the bog of allen....the bog is 950 sq km :)

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118078776#Comment_118078776

The obsession with Larry Murphy could be counter-productive to these investigations.

From a psychological perspective, it's easier to pin all of these crimes on one horrible guy. With Murphy, we have a name and face to put on the boogie man. Whether it's true or not, it makes us feel better than the alternative.

What if all these women were taken by different people? That's quite a lot of killers loose on the streets. Not a nice thing to contemplate.

If you take somewhere like the US, experts believe that there are 1,000's of active serial killers loose at any one time. The most horrible one's you can imagine, like Bundy and Dahmer etc, are only the ones that got caught. (and some of those guys were quite devious and clever too) Imagine the cleverness and cunning of those who never get caught. Obviously, a much larger country.

And then you have the percentage of the population that experts say are psychopaths or have psychopathic tendencies. In fairness, statistically speaking, most of those people will never kill anyone. But they may have the ability or desire to do so.

Even in a small country like Ireland, it's quite possible / probable that you have many killers that have never been caught. And perhaps even a few serial killers too.

tara73

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118078776#Comment_118078776

what's that for a suggestion, handing over LM to the CIA??? what business has the CIA in Ireland, and if, what would/can they do differently than AGS??

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079014#Comment_118079014

rendition and extreme torture

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079001#Comment_118079001

I would agree, you only have to look at the abductions that were prevented to realise how many more women could be abducted. There was a recent case up the north and a few in Dublin where women fought back and the outcome was better, if they hadn't we would be dealing with more "triangles"

Pity nothing was found.....but short of an utter miracle,or a deathbed confession,i cant see what more can be done

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079062#Comment_118079062

that site and the last sighting of Jojo were so close i got my hopes up

tara73

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079025#Comment_118079025

ah ok, and extreme torture brings out the truth of anybody, sure...I'm out of this one🙄.

Stovepipe

in the area of Usk alone, there are two quarries, one overgrown and one partly used and the area is densely wooded. So,unless the gardai have ground penetrating radar or Lidar or have brought in cadaver dogs, they are depending on pure luck to find anything.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079340#Comment_118079340

i was being silly,

i have issues with larry and his silence, he was interviewed several times and remained silent and refused all treatment for his crime, and then had his manditory good behavior applied to his sentence, and i don't that's good enough.

Day Lewin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079603#Comment_118079603

I think it was mentioned that they were using dogs: (can't remember where I read that...)

-- but dogs are sort of ambiguous...even if they don't Alert, it doesn't necessarily mean there's nothing there. And even if they DO, it may not be useful as evidence.

However - a year or two ago, there was an upswing of Garda interest in quarries, around the Kildare/Wicklow area: and apparently connected with the Deirdre Jacob investigation. So your comment may go very close to the truth!

Sultan of Bling

If LM is still being watched by police and they think he did murder Deirdre, I imagine they would have had a good idea in advance If the dig would yield any success by his behaviour after the news of the new search became public.

My heart goes out to the families.

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118079001#Comment_118079001

Its already been long established that most of the cases involve different killers. Murphy is a serious suspect only in the case of Sarah Jacob and to a lesser extent Jo Jo Dollard.

tara73

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118081721#Comment_118081721

exactly. I think many people still think or it's actually held like this in the media, that LM is the main suspect of all the girls (about 7) in this so called vanishing triangle. but if you read the book from this Alain Baley it gets pretty clear he's, as you wrote, 'only' a suspect in this two cases.

Shao Kahn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118082081#Comment_118082081

Yeah, I was mostly commenting on the media's obsession with Murphy. Which obviously does drive a significant amount of the public focus on him.

We seem to assume when women go missing, that they were the victim of a predator. And like I said, we prefer the idea of one horrible person rather than lots of perhaps random individual killers.

Obviously women are more likely to be the victim of a predator. But when you look at the huge scale of missing people in the country in general, by far the most likely reason is suicide in most cases regardless of gender. There is a large amount of men who disappear without any trace in the country too, just like these women. But statistically, women are actually more likely to suffer from suicidal thoughts.

Either way, it's always very sad when these digs turn up nothing useful. Sad for the families, but also for the prospect of future investigations. These digs take huge man power and resources. Most police forces do not have adequate resources to allocate to every missing person case. So they have to make educated assumptions on which cases deserve more resources. But it's still very much guess work. It's very possible that many of these missing women are not linked, and very possible that they could be suicides.

tara73

I'm not familiar with every missing person case in Ireland, but the theory that many missing people are cases of suicide is just bonkers. why and how! should a person who commits suicide prepare their death so their body is vanishing from the earth? should they dig themselves in the bog after being dead? even if you drown yourself with something heavy attached, chances you show up after not so long are very high. anyway...

and if you read the book from Alain Bailey about the girls from the vanishing triangle there's not one where's even slightly considered to be a suicide..

Day Lewin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118084583#Comment_118084583

I agree: with the possible exception of one intriguing case...the disappearance of Eva Brennan in 1993, just a few months after Annie McCarrick had vanished. I really DID wonder why her case is never included in the list of mysterious disppearances! (Bailey barely mentions it in the book)

Alays thought it had been dismissed as a suicide since the poor lady suffered from depression - but it still doesn't explain why she vanished so completely that no trace of her has ever been found! Suicides don't normally arrange to disappear their own bodies, as you said.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086217#Comment_118086217

That is also questioned here, and includes Marilyn Rynn, who's body was found and David Lawler pleaded guilty to murder.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/families-of-missing-left-to-search-alone-26674116.html

tara73

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086393#Comment_118086393

and there we are indeed back to LM in a way..David Lawler is the cousin of LM. Quite disturbing I think, two of them in the same family...

Day Lewin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118086816#Comment_118086816

Ye gods, that is really creepy. Coincidence? Or genetics?

Edited to remove gratuitous remark, apologies.

Suckit

Were they cousins or just went to the same school/year?

I remember reading a long time back that the two were connected, but I could be mixing up the stories with other things.

Suckit

It seems they were both?

https://wicklownews.net/2014/04/baltinglass-killer-set-to-be-free/

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/CLASSMATES%2BFROM%2BHELL%3B%2B2%2Bof%2BIreland%27s%2Bmost%2Bbrutal%2Bsex%2Bbeasts%2Bwent%2Bto...-a074623137

Christ, it would make you wonder how many assaults and murders the two had committed before they were caught. And when did they start.

tara73

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118087773#Comment_118087773

https://www.thesun.ie/news/979455/shocking-documentary-shows-how-rapist-became-first-ever-in-ireland-to-be-caught-by-dna/ media says they are cousins. ok, it's the sun, but that article above says it also.

edit: ah, didn't see you were the same poster asking the question and posting the link..so you also answered it yourself..😂