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Denis Villeneuve’s Dune

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Have to say, I've never given a tinkers cuss about IMAX myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Bradshaw just gave it a 5 star review on the Guardian.

    I didn't read the full article and don't encourage anyone to cause the guy usually writes an entire article of plots and spoilers. But he is well regarded other than that so it's a good sign for the movie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Obliviously did not see on the big screen, but not a film I would have went to see anyway. Enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Could not take to the original at all. A good 7.5/10 for me. Hope they continue with the story. Got me wanting to see more anyway



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    It's never been a draw for me either. More important is a roomy seat in the centre of the theatre.

    However for something I waited so long for, and on this scale I've decided to go all in. Will be re-watching again on the home screen anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I'm talking about True Imax not the mickey mouse Imax screens in Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Don't care about "true IMAX" either.

    Give me just a cinema screen and decent projection with minimal interruptions, and I'm sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's the True IMAX screens I don't like. For me there is a such thing as too big/clear/loud.

    Got a ticket for this evening at 5 at a standard Vue main screen. Can't wait to finally see it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Booked in for 8.30 tonight and honestly...

    I am excited and anticipating this in the way I used to feel about Christmas as a kid 😂 the kid that knows Santa isn't real 😉 but still knows he's getting a great present!

    I'm also booked in next week with a buddy to watch it and will no doubt have also sailed the high sea a couple of times too in the interim 😂

    Ya hya chouhada!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    unless I read it wrong the Point doesn't have tickets till 25th, Might wait a week anyway so can get good seats

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,297 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    So I watched some of the original on a VCR cassette last night and yes it is a mess the plot in it is all over the place but at least now I know after coming out of the Cinema from the new version that at least theycstick to some of the old ideas just modernised which was a nice touch so for that alone I would recommend trying to watch some of the original before this one. This is much easier to follow for sure the plot is coherent and it flew by. I really enjoyed it but it still gets a little messy near the end. It is not perfect but it is very near it. The sounds alone are amazing in it. I would give it a 9.5 out of 10. Can not wait for part 2.

    I stayed a good 7 minutes into watching the credits roll to see was there anything else as the cinema lights had not come on yet but then had to go.

    So if there us I will have to go see it again.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Have this booked for Monday on Blanch imax. I know I know I know. Not a genuine imax but I just need to see this on a big screen :)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Dune wasn't shot on 70mm IMAX (like Nolan uses) but rather large format digital cameras (which was transferred to 35mm and then back to digital), so I think digital IMAX is fine. I assume even the "real" 70mm IMAX cinemas are showing this in digital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Absolutely brilliant movie. The first have is just pure tension and the soundtrack is brilliant and becomes almost an assault in some moments.

    Would love to be able to see it having never read the story as the movie really does a great job with the feeling that absolutely anyone can die here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    Epic stuff. Nobody does tiny humans framed by gigantic structures and landscapes quite like Denis Villeneuve.

    As mentioned the soundtrack and sound design was immense. Zimmer's score maybe a bit too overpowering.

    Rebecca Ferguson was very good in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ferguson was brilliant. Her ability to show the complex range of conflicting emotions Jessica is going through is superb

    Zendaya was also excellent casting and with no more than a quick glance or gesture you can see why a young lad would be obsessed with his dreams of her.

    For the rest Leto was good, Idaho way better than the book or other live versions, Halleck decent but hit and miss and Hawat and Yeuh the same. Keynes was grand but nothing will top Sydow (one of the few good points of Lynch Dune) and I'm not sold on Stilgar.

    Most of the movie is Paul and Jessica though and both are very very well done

    One character that really annoyed me was De Vries who was an exact copy of Odval from Disenchantment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Hah, I think the opposite.

    Watched it the other night, I have a decent 50" TV and surround sound. Lit the fire, got my sweets and popcorn and I was set.

    Last time I went to the cinema was Shang-Chi. A group of spanish students arrived 10 mins into it, sat in the front row and started talking and laughing. Add in people around me checking phones, the constant rustle-rustle of sweet bags etc, and I'm not going to the cinema again.


    I'll take being able to pause a movie and go to the loo over an IMAX experience any day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    In a mini, spoiler free review from a fan of the book? It's fúcking epic and a wonderful interpretation of the book. With not only a very tight handle on the story but some utterly brilliant fan service.


    Loved it, and I am already looking forward to seeing it again next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Just back from seeing this in IMAX in Cineworld. Wow! that was freaking cool!

    Definitely recommend the full Screen + Sound + Theatre Lighting experience. 2 and a half hours felt like 30mins!

    (i don't even know if they matched ambient light in the room on purpose to match the surrounding of a scene toward the end of the film .. but it sure felt like they did.. like I felt in the scene.. wierd..)

    Audience: Definitely a hard 12A for the "Moderate" violence the ifco have set: http://www.ifco.ie/en/ifco/pages/8AC82F0A00418201


    The story.. is Dune .. the opening title card says Dune (Part One) .. on the screen... which makes sense.. It's a book series.

    I think (maybe biased) that it's solid for non-book readers. There are also nods which book-readers would get.

    The story is a solid adaption going from the start and ending at the event where Paul takes his first life .. Jamis.

    There definitely are nods for people who've read the books.. Isaac does a decent job of conveying the absolute RAGE of someone targetting Paul... Definitely one for the book readers are that only Chani sees up close that Paul shed the tear for Jamis. For the extended set of books... the looks of scorn between the Baron and Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam... him just being him and probably not caring.. her knowing what he did to her but also what she did to him.


    All the cast did great.. Chalamet and Ferguson were really strong but like the whole cast did top jobs in their roles Brolin, Isaac, Skarsgård, Charlotte Rampling (Mohiam), Bautista, Zendaya, Momoa, Bardem, Stephen McKinley Henderson (Thufir), David Dastmalchian (Vries), Chang Chen (Yueh), Sharon Duncan-Brewster (Liet)

    The special effects! There was solid.. good and WTF WOAH! The IMAX/Theathre felt like it contributed here.

    Solid spaceships and techie stuff

    Good with the close looks and sound of some ships (the one coming out of the water!) and the tech and fight scenes .. indeed the tech+fight scenes

    FREAKING HELL! DID YOU HEAR THE VOICE!! .. THE VOICE! I nearly jumped outta my seat.. IMAX/Theathre sound system plus right there. I thought they bottled it in the first scene with Paul but nope.. that was just not-the-voice (TM) as a young boy/man tried to learn it.


    Dammit.. you know earlier I linked to a video where Villeneuve said he made it for IMAX but I threw up a spoiler warning on the video.. well cos it has spoilers.. I shoulda mentioned what he had said about IMAX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭sonic85


    I'm going to see this tomorrow evening. I've never read the book or watched the 1984 version. For anyone that has seen it - will I be able to follow it? I've seen a few comments saying it can be a bit hard to track everything that's going on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,971 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    From someone who has read the books and watched the David Lynch movie, this one has missed a lot of detail even though they have split it.

    There was a lot more character detail in Lynches and even though it was a odd as be damned it was truer to the book. Villeneuve's version I find the characters especially of Gurney, Hawat and Idaho were just filler. No meat to these characters who in the books had significate rolls. Liet-Keynes, oh why?

    I just hope they stick more to the book in the 2nd movie and maybe start doing the other books.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    I attempted to watch the original recently, but gave up. Never read the books. Found this very accessible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya Lynch was way closer😂🤣. I mean this movie turns the Weirding gun in to a martial art and makes the Fremen look like Muslims. Also where's Leto's pug ?

    Hawat and especially Gurney get a lot of time in the book but I never understood the love for Idaho as he is hardly in the thing and if anything the movie gives him more to do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Saw it last night and loved it. One of the best Sci fi movies I have ever seen. Will go again next wk to see it again as class on the big screen. I definitely think TV nó matter how big it is doesn't live up to a cinema screen. Highly recommend the movie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,253 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Went to see this last night in The Lighthouse, absolutely superb.

    I was hoping Villeneuve would do something similar with the sound to Bladerunner 2049, almost having it being too much at times. He did not disappoint. Some of the voice sounds and music were so utterly uncomfortable and overwhelming, really suits the Dune universe.

    As someone who grew up watching the Lynch film as a kid (and absolutely love it!) as well as reading the first book numerous times, there's such a weird feeling watching a new film like this but with a sense like you've seen it before. Sometimes at the start it felt a bit scene for scene with the Lynch film. I know that's the story (and am not complaining!) but it just added a real familiarity with this new film.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    On the voice I thought the exact same. At first it seemed like they went for a cheap sci-fi trope but in the end felt the same as you.

    I didn't like when the mentats were mentating and I don't remember that in the book



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,482 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    I totally get this aswell ,I always try my best to go to the earliest showing so there is usually nobody about , had a few films ruined by undesirables talking and messing throughout movies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Just want to come back and add a little spoiler free flesh to my 1st impressions review.

    On the point of Thufir, Gurney and some other characters not being fleshed out. I agree that compared to the book and Lynch's movie they aren't.

    At this point in the story however? I don't think they need to be. For me the hardest part of Dune to bring to the screen was always the interplay between the Emperor and the Great houses. Villeneuve does that brilliantly. His effort to portray the importance that house Atreides places on the Fremen is also very well executed. The desert power trope is incredibly crafted IMO.

    The battle scenes and the Arrakeen attack by the Sardaukar, I sat forward in my seat in awe. I kept looking to see if the Sardaukar fell back in to clusters of 3 😂

    There is some incredible fan service from the opening of the movie to the last scene. All subtly inserted and always moving the story rather than deliberate nods.

    Yes, so much more "could" have been added but, nothing that fans of book or Lynch would say is missing? Cost the narrative anything, the movie is incredibly well paced and tight.

    Some of the detail that Lynch included from the Book, Yueh, Mapes and the dinner party scene in particular are omitted, but cost this movie nothing in story or scale.

    I'd present this version as being very much the story of Paul and his beginning 😁 as we all know?

    Beginnings are a delicate time...

    And Villeneuve has begun this, brilliantly!



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭unplayable


    Saw this last night. Haven’t read the book. Big sci fi fan. Wow thought it was fantastic. Would recommend seeing it on a big a screen as possible. Denis does it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Well.. I tried recreate the feeling from the IMAX sound system on my home speakers.

    Started getting a vague reminder when I got it very loud with high bass, low treble levels.. but jeez.. I'm pretty sure the neighbours down the road knew I was watching Dune! 😁

    That was just for

    The Voice.

    Didn't even bother with the Ornithopther and getting the hard thumping of the wings in my chest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You should have went out in the garden to see if the bass was bringing the worms to the surface 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    5/5


    first half hour… I wasn’t sure… there was a lot of exposition (that I was well familiar with) but then it kicks off and it is relentlessly amazing


    so good seeing a big movie like this that isn’t isn’t filled with stupid jokes/quips like all the super hero movies…


    its a dark movie in a lot of ways… half the cast get slaughtered…..


    damm if it gets a sequal it will be a few years….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭Relikk


    For a long (ish) film it felt a bit rushed during the first 30 or 40 minutes, and it had some clunky dialogue to go with it. It got a fair bit better after that and it was enjoyable enough until the end. I'm mostly going to dock some points because I'm beyond bored with obnoxious Hans Zimmer soundtracks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    It was a functional score and did its job well but it is a predictable score… because there is sand of course it has to be the phrygian mode…

    the thing I love most about the Lynch movie is the end credits music…. Such a strange but beautiful piece of music to put at the end of the film





  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Wasn't Virgina Madsen so fine back then jesus



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    Agree with others about the score. The same predicable middle eastern desert sound we've heard a million times.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,941 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    brilliant, has to be seen in a cinema



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Watched it last night, left me wanting to see more. I thought it was excellent, I know I watched the older movie as a kid but couldn't remember a lot of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Some Spoilers...



    A very good adaptation and I can't see too many fans of the book being down on it, despite some changes here and there. In fact the only grating thing was the completely unnecessary sex change of Dr. Liet Kynes. Why that was mandated in a film that's literally dripping with diversity god only knows. It's been exactly 30 years since I read the book, but...

    ...wasn't Liet Kynes the actual leader of the Fremen? How can that be now when she's a woman. Weren't the Fremen a completely patriarchal society? Which was one of the things that was holding them back in the book? The Fremen were completely male dominated and a society where the men were constantly vying for power at the end of a knife. So one of Herbert's themes was that while they busy knifing each other, they were constantly open to being oppressed on what they considered their planet. Also didn't he die to the desert heat and not a worm?

    Curious changes and I don't know what impact they will have for Part 2.

    In any case, all in all it's pretty good and the vast cast handle their parts extremely well (including Sharon Duncan-Brewster as the now female Leit Kynes). Especially good, I thought, was Rebecca Fergusson as Jessica Atreides and it was nice to see Charlotte Rampling have a wee part as she's an actress I've always admired. However, her screen time was very small and she'll probably never replace Sian Philips as Mother Mohiam for me, as she will always be the definitive version.

    As suspected, Timothée Chalamet was probably one of the weaker members of the cast. His constant brooding became slightly annoying to me. But, he wasn't as annoying as I thought he would be and in the end he makes the role his own. I just don't remember Paul being so damn emo though.

    Effects wise, the film is fantastic. It's an absolute visual treat. Equipment and environments are all rendered very convincingly for the most part and the CGI is used brilliantly. There are one or two off moments here and there that I noticed, but maybe on a rewatch they won't stand out so much. But I will admit to missing the Baroque designs of the David Lynch film. That whole opening where Emperor Shaddam IV (who's curiously missing from the movie) meets with the Spacing Guild will always be indelibly printed on my mind.

    The Harkonnen are, again, kinda panto villains in this 2021 version. They were pretty ridiculous in the 1984 movie and they have been toned down a bit here. But they are still the obvious bad guys in the room. In fairness, they don't really get a lot of screen time, but I just don't recall them being so OTT in the book. Although they certainly aren't as OTT here as they were in Lynch's version.

    I suspect that there was quite a bit filmed, though, that ended up on the cutting room floor. But maybe we'll get an extended Blu Ray version during the year.

    At the end, anyway, I wanted the film to continue, even though it's two and a half hours long, which is a very good sign I suppose.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I hear he rides one in the next movie 😜



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    For a 2 and 1/2 hour movie it did seem kinda short … and it was only half the book…. It really does prove Lynch had an impossible task of making the book into one movie….. but yeah I think Danny veal-a- nue V nailed the pacing…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,036 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Except for the Atreides music, the Bene Gesserit music and anything involving the Harkonnens or the Sardaukar

    The Fremen leaders were men but it wasn't any big plot point from what I remember and didn't play any part in holding them back or anything like that and will have no bearing on part 2

    I was disappointed though that Keynes didn't get more time to flesh out her dream for Arrakis and I don't think we will see much mention of her being leader of the Fremen rather just a member



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's not so much a plot point as opposed to a pretty major alteration of the society in question and therefore an alteration of how characters operate in that society and how other characters operate with them. Women are not highly regarded within Fremen society. In fact they are little more than possessions for the men. Men who are busy killing one another for tribal hierarchical reasons. Plus there is a shortage of females within the Fremen and Fremen men are subject to trial by mortal combat at the drop of the hat. Especially those in leadership positions. Paul even inherits Jamis' wife after he bests him in combat. And Chani, as Liet Kynes' daughter is also not set to inherit any of her father's rights either and she merely becomes Paul's concubine.

    Making Leit Kynes a woman drastically changes all of that dynamic. As I said it's a curious change and not one that has zero impact. I would argue that is no reason at all to change any of the characters sexes, but giving another character a sex change probably wouldn't have had any impact at all. For instance, changing Dr. Yueh to a woman would make absolutely no difference.

    But as I said, it's difficult to see where this will go in Part 2, or even 'Dune Messiah' if such a thing gets made. Maybe the idea is to make the Fremen a more egalitarian society and not as patriarchal as they were in the book. But too much of an alteration to them and I can see that getting up the noses of some of the more purest fans. They might take it the same way as including a few blokes in the Bene Gesserit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    It looks like we are getting a sequel anyway box office seems to be doing well and THE Warner brothers guy said it’s happening…. 2023 the earliest ? It would be great if they filmed two more back to back… they could still get two more movies out if book 1



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    There's only about a third of the first book left. That part of the book is rushed so easily enough for one more film but not two, so I don't think so and I don't think Villeneuve does either. He actually ends part 1 earlier than in the original script because he felt it wouldn't leave enough for part 2. Also he's said if there's a third film it will be Messiah.

    Anyway it's pretty great. Visually spectacular but more restrained than BR 2049 and the pacing is a lot faster — as said the 2.5 hours fly. As a fan of the book I am very impressed at how the script manages to stay true to the source material while also making sense. I'd argue it makes more sense than the book does. The reviews weren't wrong though: there's a lot of world-building and little resolution. This is unapologetically "part one" and the ending resembles the final scene before an intermission might happen. 

    Tony, as I understand it, Knyes's position among the Fremen was inherited, so their gender is irrelevant, and I agree with breezy that it wasn't a big plot point so even if there is a change there it won't make any difference to the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Tony, as I understand it, Knyes's position among the Fremen was inherited, so their gender is irrelevant, and I agree with breezy that it wasn't a big plot point so even if there is a change there it won't make any difference to the story.

    Leit is half Fremen I think on the mothers side? He inherits his fathers (not a Fremen) title and position. His mother didn't get to become the leader. He ends up as leader because of his sex I assume. If gender wasn't important to the Fremen, then his mother would have become the leader.

    All of this yap makes me want to read the book again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,680 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Even in feudal systems you can have female rulers who inherit their father's power and there's plenty of examples from our own history. Patriarchy make such rulers unlikely but not impossible. The preference is of course for a male ruler and we see this in the film, so that aspect is unchanged, but where there is no male heir they may accept a woman in certain circumstances. I would note as well that the Fremen are more tribal than strictly feudal and tribal societies may allow for greater deal of equality between the sexes (islamic ones excluded). Ultimately we'll have to see how they deal with this in part 2 and where they are going with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,488 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I think one of the best visuals of the movie is the Baron floating at the end of the table with a powerless/naked/awkward Leto at the other end

    it really reminded me of the scene in Godfather 2 with Michael and Fredo… same power dynamic.. and both Leto and Fredo are basically already dead…. Michael and the Baron have decided they must die


    i wonder if Danny Vealnuve was consciously taking a bit of inspiration from the scene


    Fredo really made an awful choice of chair… can’t really blame Leto for his poor chair posture…





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Sure. I'm aware of what happens in the real world with regards to female rulers.

    However I'm talking specifically about Herbert's take on the Fremen society that he made up and it is, without a doubt, a fiercely patriarchal one, and for the worse Herbert seems to suggest. In fact, all of the "houses" in the book are male dominated. Which is one of the reasons why the Bene Gesserit and their mechanisations are so important to the story. Doesn't Mohiam admonish Jessica for deliberately having a male child because everywhere else is essentially a patriarchy? They considered it a "crime".

    Anyway, I don't want to go down this rabbit hole too far. It always ends up in the shitter. I just thought an unnecessary change and one that might potentially have an impact later on, assuming that the Fremen are closely modelled on the book version. As said, they will more than likely make them a more egalitarian society that what appeared in the novel, for better or worse.

    As you say, ultimately we'll have to wait and see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    Seeing that 90 percent of the movie was spent in the desert, then 90 percent of the movie had an unimaginative and unoriginal score that's been done to death.



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