All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Why are you shocked? Most people want the numbers of people dying and suffering due to covid to be reduced. Why wouldn't they be in favour of restrictions being extended to do this?

Why did we not have restrictions to prevent flu deaths, should we keep the restrictions forever to prevent flu deaths or are you okay with flu deaths? At what mortality rate do you think restrictions should be implemented for any contagious disease? Should we implement restrictions for everything with a mortality rate above say 0.1%? What's your number?

Are you claiming that the restrictions aren't going to do this?

Restrictions will reduce covid deaths to some extent, just like banning cars will limit road deaths, banning cigarettes will limit lung cancer deaths and the list goes on and on. If society's sole focus is preventing deaths the world becomes a very sad boring place.

Also what do you by "Pushing a narrative?" Who is pushing this narrative any why?

The governments and the media. The Governments got new powers and blank cheques, and the opportunity to inflate away some debt and buy some votes, the media make money by selling fear, covid is just the latest boogeyman, but it's a good one, people are still watching to see the latest case numbers for covid despite extremely low deaths, far fewer deaths than cancer, but cancer just isn't sexy enough to attract viewer/readers with case and death figures.

Also which measures will be permanent and how do they benefit the people behind the conspiracy?

I can't say I have much conviction behind this, as it's just off the top of my head, but I'll answer since the the question is there, and because you're point seems to be that there is no possible reasons. Governments are in debt that can't be repaid, they now know that people will be terrified of any virus, even a bad flu season or the prediction of one could be enough to lockdown the country and start up the printing presses and generate the the inflation the central banks and Governments have been openly trying to create for years now without success. Now every little virus that pops its head up could trigger restrictions. Restrictions may not be permanent in the sense that they get never get lifted, but they are permanent in the sense that they will be back, and will forever be hanging over our heads.

I understand Covid is more contagious, and currently more deadly than the flu. I never claimed it wasn't.

You implied that anybody who doesn't want restrictions extended doesn't care about people dying and suffering from covid. I don't think that's a fair implication. I'm just curious if you're in favour of extending any restriction which could prevent dying and suffering from any virus, if masks and social distancing will prevent flu or other respiratory virus deaths, do you think they should be permanent even after covid, to prevent the dying and suffering from them? I'm fully aware significantly less people die of flu, but people do die from it and we can't tell the bad years until its too late. We didn't have restrictions in place before covid, so presumably there is an acceptable rate of death from respiratory viruses according to doctors and governments, I'd like to know where the bar is. You say you care about flu deaths, so presumably you won't ever want restrictions lifted, or are some deaths acceptable as long as the health service isn't overwhelmed?

I'm not necessarily against lockdowns or masks, I was one of the first people wearing masks when this all kicked off, getting looked at like I was mental in shopping centers, and I fully supported the first two weeks lockdown. But in my opinion at some point there was a disconnect between the data and the measures being implemented, because hysteria kicked in. Decisions about all aspects of the lives of the entire country were being made by a group of people who's sole job was to focus on one thing, doctors will focus on health, that's all they know, health is great but there's a reason the country wasn't ran but doctors before this. I'm all for good teeth too, but I don't want the country being run by dentists.

Every time I get into a discussion with you think everything is a conspiracy, I think it's your favorite word, I'd be interested to know your definition, it seems like if somebody thinks differently to you they must be conspiracy theorists. If a story sells, the media will push it, that's not a conspiracy, that's just business, the media's job is to find the boogeyman be it the Terrorists, Trump, the Russians, The Russians and Trump together, now Covid, it doesn't matter, fear sells, so that's what they have to generate. I'm not saying Covid isn't a threat, I'm saying the threat is exaggerated, and people are so hysterical about it that they are applying a logic to anything covid related, which runs counter to their logic about all other risks in life.

I don't know if any measures will be permanent, because I think more than likely governments will revert back to accepting that a certain death rate is acceptable from viruses. But who knows, they might apply your logic and say getting rid of masks means you don't care about people who die from Pneumonia, and if you stick a catchy label on people who disagree, anti-maskers maybe, most people will fall in line.

Yeah dude, I for one, need to see the government memos detailing the conspiracy. I want to see names, dates, timelines, action plans, emails, the works.

If you're going to post a theory in a forum called "Conspiracy Theories" on some random internet board, the least you should be able to do is have access to highly classified documents from the most powerful and obtuse organisations on the planet. Otherwise, you're just a nutter.

Sorry kid, nothing personal. *Tips Fedora*

Surely you realize that when governments become totalitarian, they don't just go on TV and tell the people, "We're gonna be bad guys now, here's the list of new draconian rules". It's done slowly and they sell each new rule as though it's for the people's own good.

Your text messages, emails, metadata everything about you has been recorded by the British and US governments, which is fine because it's keeping you safe from those nasty terrorists, and its working too, I haven't been involved in a terrorist attack since, its great.

We were literally locked down in our houses, told where we can and can't go, told what we can and can't buy and people are being punished for not taking drugs the government say they should take in some Countries.

Just look at China, recently they produced loads of new rules on what times people can play video games, how people can act on TV, banning this that and the other, but it's never about being draconian, it's always for the people's own good.

I'm not saying we're heading for a totalitarian regime, I'm just playing devils advocate here and pointing out that if it ever did happen, this is what it looks like, it will be for "our own good".

Yes pretty much.

Some things are only provable after the fact.

If you see a sketchy guy outside your house who's acting very suspiciously, checking windows etc do you call the police or not?

My reasoning is "If he looks like a burglar, and acts like a burglar, in circumstances that one might find a burglar, its at least a working theory that this guy may be a burglar and we should be accordingly cautious and call the guards".

He may be a burglar or he may not be a burglar.

I mean you've no evidence that the guy is going to break into your house. He's in the vicinity.... so? He's looking in your windows....who knows to what purpose? Maybe he's a maintenance guy? You don't have access to his texts where written evidence might be obtained so your "theory" that this guy might be up to no good is just that. A theory.

So in your reasoning on this forum, you cannot call the gardai because he's done nothing wrong. In fact, given that he hasn't entered your house just yet means you're slandering him.

And now the issue is not that there's a suspicious guy outside your house, its that you're slandering an innocent man's good name.

You and your gang basically act like noone has the right to posit the theory that this guy may be a burglar because there's no explicit proof of it. And proceed to barrage and name call anyone who holds that view.

You destroy discourse and demand the impossible. Even with the sacred "facts" from "verifiable sources" are presented to you, you ignore or silence them.

I tried to post an article from the Irish independent about a settlement between a victim of the Swine Flu vaccine and Glaxo Smith Kline and was told to "take that nonsense over to Conspiracy Theories" by the Mod.

I mean, a link to factual report on actual court events in the Irish Justice system got me warned in no uncertain terms that I'd be banned.

So ye won't accept theories and ye won't accept facts.

My question is simply this. Why?

Why is it so important to you guys that the government, Big Pharma, and Big Tech are the good guys? Why are ye acting as their foot soldiers, defending them from scrutiny, from questioning of their actions or motives? What's in it for you? You're here every day so what exactly is it you want to achieve? Dream scenario what would you like this forum to become? One where the official narrative is never questioned on anything ever? Seems like it to me but for the life of me I don't understand why.