Heavyweight Boxing

OmegaGene · 10-10-2021 07:55PM

A deflated 'Bronze Bomber' has now broken his silence admitting his best just wasn't "good enough" on the night.

“I did my best, but it wasn’t good enough tonight. I’m not sure what happened," Wilder said post-fight. "I know that in training he did certain things, and I also knew that he didn’t come in at 277 pounds to be a ballet dancer. He came to lean on me, try to rough me up and he succeeded.”

walshb · 10-10-2021 08:00PM

Still elements of excuses there!!

AckwelFoley · 10-10-2021 08:29PM

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I don't think he's particularly a dirty fighter bit he led with the head towards the end of the fight, surprised it wasn't even mentioned

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 08:45PM

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I’m saying it all day! In all 3 fights he led with the nut, used it a bit like Wlad used the clinch. If you do that and you’re stronger then you win. Fury came through a war last night but saying that Lewis would beat him isn’t rubbish. I can see why some would argue that Lewis would obliterate him too. I don’t agree with that but I’m not full of confidence on my perspective. If Wilder could find a home for that big right then it would be hard to escape Lewis. Lewis jab was insane and figuring out fighters and how to beat them was a big thing with him. I’m a Fury fan but I think people are getting carried away with things.

I think what Wilder said post fight is fair enough. This is coming from a man who made David Haye’s explanation for a loss look sensible.

The jabs to the stomach worked well for him and that’s what gave him the opportunity in the 4th. Fury just knew exactly how to wear him out. I think his management team were exactly right in making this fight. Where else would they have gone? One way or another he was a whisker away from winning both fights 1 and 3 against a far superior fighter... that’s not a mismatch.

If Fury were to unify then retire he got to the top of the mountain and then walked away. That’s ok and he’d have a great legacy but that will take at least a year I’d think. In that time there will likely be new challenges to the elite end of the status quo.

Littlehorny · 10-10-2021 08:47PM

Looked at the fight there today and Wilder must be impossible to coach, he came out for 2 rounds and looked ok. As soon as the fight didn't go to his plan he just stood up straight, stuck his left out as a range finder and swung that big looping right hand.

His ego just means you cannot coach anything into him and lets not forget he is 36, even though he doesn't look it, so his gas tank is not going to be as good as when he was 26 and he probably weighs 20 pounds more as well.

Fury landed twice the punches that Wilder did and that will wear anyone down, he has absolutely zero head movement.

Wilder's poor opposition on his record has always been there and it has showed big time in the Fury fights, in fact I think he was behind in a few fights and the big right has saved him against average fighters.

walshb · 10-10-2021 08:52PM

Not sure been mentioned, but anyone think Wilder should consider hanging them up?

He just doesn’t react well to shots. It was a sustained heavy beating last night, and a good beating in 2020 as well..every time Fury landed clean, Wilder was groggy..

I keep reading about great chin. It wasn’t a great chin at all. He was all over the shop many times, and Fury wasn’t levelling him either. Fury is not a big puncher. But he was still bucking and wobbling and dropping Wilder all night.

A heavier punching Fury with more accuracy would have done serious damage..

Dante · 10-10-2021 08:58PM

Never realised Wilder was 36! He looks much younger.

Based on recent fights Wilder would wipe the floor with Joshua. Joshua's lack of: (1) head movement, (2) gas, (3) chin, and (4) desire would make him the perfect opponent.

Mantis Toboggan · 10-10-2021 09:11PM

Wilders camp have a few important decisions to make, they need to step back and get a few handy wins, build confidence and go for another mega fight end of next year/early 23. He'll be happy he won't have to face the furious one again. Still has a role to play but needs to go back to the drawing board.

AidoEirE · 10-10-2021 09:16PM

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Noticed this, thought he was doing well against fury especially the body work, lost himself then after and the game plan went out the window.

OmegaGene · 10-10-2021 09:26PM

Malik update on wilder :- "He's good, he's up in his room; I took him up to his room afterwards," Scott told ES News. "He saw the doctor but everything is cool. He's got a busted lip and broke his hand... broke his finger or his knuckle or something like that.

"Life goes on, Fury I assume will get the [Oleksandr] Usyk shot which would be good. I really don't want Deontay talking about boxing or doing. nothing to do with boxing for quite some time, I want him to get some rest after this.

OmegaGene · 10-10-2021 09:26PM

This is a good angle to see and hear furys shot land

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CU2c1O-Fvrf/?utm_medium=copy_link

Mantis Toboggan · 10-10-2021 09:33PM

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A fair dig in fairness, something that Fury has developed in the last few years, power punches.

10-10-2021 09:56PM

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If I was anyway related to him I'd be imploring him to hang 'em up.

He's still young, has a young family and is worth an absolute fortune.

There was a couple of times in the clinch last night where it looked like if Fury took a step back Wilder'd have been on the floor.

squinn2912 · 10-10-2021 10:05PM

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I think you make a very good point. In both fights he has been crucified over a large amount of rounds. He looked ready to go for ages, I think the doctor took a look at him going into the 8th? A long, long look. If in years to come God forbid he slurred speech and black outs or worse then we’d all think back to this fight when he really should have been saved from himself again. That last stand at the end of 10th was incredible and I think he stopped Fury in his tracks but he still had nothing himself. That was a very hard, punishing night on him.

Rjd2 · 10-10-2021 10:15PM

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He's a name, has a unique look and obviously boxing loves its Hispanic stars as they can draw good money so yeah he surely gets a big fight in the next year.

I seen a suggestion online from a purely American POV then Ruiz v Fury is so much bigger than Whyte v Fury, but obviously its likely Fury goes for the second option of Whyte assuming he wins in a few weeks.

awec · 10-10-2021 10:55PM

I'm fairly delighted for Fury. Looks like someone just back from a month in Magaluf but is hard as nails.

Joedryan · 11-10-2021 07:54AM

Listening to Malik Scott on youtube he seems proud of himself just that Wilder was able to make a match of it.

squinn2912 · 11-10-2021 07:59AM

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I think he does deserve credit. His game plan gave wilder a better chance but when the heat came wilder abandoned it or Fury walked through it

AckwelFoley · 11-10-2021 08:04AM

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Seen that interview.

The thing is, I seen the fight again and while everyone including myself enjoyed the fight, it should have been stopped much earlier. Its not in the interest of boxing if fighters are getting brain damaged, because that's what wilder got from that fight, a big paycheck, respect for his chin, and brain-damaged. He took punches to the head that weren't defended.

In Europe, that fight gets stopped in 7 no doubt. I don't accept the argument that he could have KO'd fury later in the fight.he may well have but frankly it's not likely. Some said he near KOd fury in 10. He wasn't even close to it. He tickled him.

blade1 · 11-10-2021 08:10AM

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Talk about laying yourself on a plate.

yourdeadwright · 11-10-2021 09:54AM

I didn't think Fury looked that great on Saturday, I think he had a bit a off night he was getting hit and caught with plenty that he normally wouldn't

His naturally ability & toughness just shone through ,

yourdeadwright · 11-10-2021 09:57AM

I think Wilder is done,

He got his first title shot on the back of his best buddy Scott taking a dive & then pretty much held the belt captive until he fought aging Ortiz,

It's clear mentally he can't take getting beat by Fury so how would he feel if a Ruiz, Aj or Whyte happened to beat him, I think he will retire & probably blame a slow count when Fury was down or something like that to massage his own ego,

fitzparker · 11-10-2021 10:01AM

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I think the doctor was checking the hand more than anything. Wilder grabbed it mid round.

As others said Wilder tactics left after 3 rounds, from there and as soon as he got the knock down there was no listening as his ego took over and he thought he had it in the bag.

In saying that for the second knock down the refs counting seemed weird, andre Ward picked up on it aswell ( i havent watched the fight back) but he counted to 5, then told wilder to get back in the corner ( for what seemed at least 2 seconds, maybe 3) he then went back to fury at 6.... I could be wrong but I picked up on it before ward even said it.

Hat tip to Sugarhill he really has given Fury a killer instinct he didnt really have, Fury was jabbing Wilder all night and could have seen out the fight but Sugarhill ( possibly still weiry of the big right) told Tyson to get him out of there which he obliged.

For me that is Fury done till end of summer, both men need a log break, through the Joshua on/off again crap to this fight getting cancelled Tyson in his words has only been home 2 weeks in 6 months.

He will get through Dillion and hopefully Usyk then that will be him done.

yourdeadwright · 11-10-2021 10:14AM

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Talk of the ref is nonsense, on the second knock down the ref counts right in Fury face and see although he is down he is ok & then turs to Wilder to tell him about the corner,

The ref was experienced & knew Fury was getting up ,

In a world title fight the 10 count isn't about a ref trying to count you out its about the ref giving you time to see if you can get up , He clearly seen Fury was going to get up , The last thing anyone needed was for a quick 10 count on either fighter & people claiming its rigged and a 4th rematch,

If anything Wilder made sure both of them would get a proper chance to fight because he started the narrative of don't throw in the towel or count us out till one of us is laid out proper

The ref gave Wilder the same leeway in later rounds when he could have easy step in and waved it off ,

11-10-2021 10:44AM

I love Fury. He is just so unfazed by everything. He looks like he enjoys the whole show and fighting in general. You can see the pressure and the nerves etc in the likes of AJ and Wilder. They are fragile.

walshb · 11-10-2021 11:05AM

The shot in the 4th is something to see. It went all the way through Fury’s body. Like a bolt a lightning. Fury’s frame and overall size definitely help his overall body absorb the energy..

And didn’t give a fook when he got up. Right back in swinging!!!

yourdeadwright · 11-10-2021 11:11AM

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I'v never seen anyone take such huge shots & once they get back on there feet its like the punch never happened, Just so calm fighting really is in his blood,

One thing he needs to be careful because no human can keep taking shots like that, he needs good rest & make sure he isn't getting caught flush in his next fight, Only so many times you can take them without your chin & resolve disappearing ,

I'd love to see Wilder v AJ but i don't think AJ would ever take that fight,

walshb · 11-10-2021 11:13AM

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Interesting. People may be forgetting the toll these fights take on Fury as well. I don’t think Fury forgets. He’s shrewd. And knows the damage there.

AckwelFoley · 11-10-2021 11:13AM

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Wilder was beaten before he entered the ring.

He was still dangerous, but itnwas as clear as day on his face entering the ring he was done

Cyrus · 11-10-2021 11:21AM

I was away sat night so couldnt watch live, have watched it back twice now with the UK comms and the US.

First off it was a great fight and i thoroughly enjoyed it. The long lay off for Fury was evident, the reality is he should have ended it in the fourth, wilder was badly hurt in the 3rd, but he got careless and got caught and thats why it lasted as long as it did. Wilder was gone from the 7th, but he has heart i will give him that.

For me Fury is the clear no 1, and should be beat Usyk and Joshua if either fight gets made. Joshua wont like the rough housing and cant really take a shot and Usyk will be over matched in size (allayed to the fact Fury can box as well and last 12 rounds makes it a bad match up for him).

Not sure where wilder goes, i think he could beat Joshua (if he gets to him first) and could maybe even beat Usyk (the same way he can maybe beat anyone if he connects) but he seems to have a real issue with the losses so maybe he never comes back.

I think 2 or 3 more fights for Tyson and he can hang them up, Whyte next and then the winner of the Usyk Joshua rematch to unify and then retire or rematch.

All this stuff of him and lewis is a bit of a distraction, in his own era he is the best imo, thats all he can prove and he has done.

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