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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭whippet


    He got called out along with Geema and Dee ... so if he truly believes in what he has been saying he will have no problem launching a legal action against RTE and Duffy .. could be a nice pay day for him ... but I'll bet he will just do a video of himself and vin telling us how much Duffy gets paid and sure isn't RTE the virus



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheAnalyst_


    Italian freeman Antoniio bravely rescued his freeman mate from hospital where he was being treated for covid. 48 hours later and the man was rushed back to hospital where he has since died.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭whippet


    From what I can see the reports of death are unconfirmed... however it seems he is in a very poor state at the very least

    the man in question stood in a general election under the banner of Direct Democracy Ireland, the lad 'rescuing' him from hospital is a full on Freeman nut job .. there is a video of him being stopped for speeding and it's a full house of freeman bingo .... guard not wearing a hat, I'm travelling, i am the master your are the servant, no consent, no contract etc


    dangerous people !!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Modesty has prevented Jerry Beade from posting up the good news about some of his recent victories. Unfortunately the Courts don't agree with him on this either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    News just in from Bray is of three guilty verdicts for Gemma O'Doherty in relation to charges of resisting arrest from 2020. Should have hired The Hub.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭carfinder


    very comprehensive article on The Currency regarding a recent judgement by Mr Justice Max Barrett which dismantles the usual arguments highlighted in this thread



  • Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭carfinder


    Mr Justice Max Barrett put it succinctly. It was, in many ways, an unfortunate case. After all, a husband and wife were one the cusp of losing their house after falling into mortgage arrears of just €15,000, a sum the High Court judge said should be repayable if it was spread over enough years to make the monthly repayments manageable.

    However, the case of Christopher and Elizabeth Cussen is about more than just numbers. It is a textbook example of how not to deal with both a lender and also a court action. Judge Barrett sets out the backstory and the 27 arguments that the couple had put forward to stop a repossession action by Start Mortgages, which acquired the couple’s mortgage from Permanent TSB.

    The judgement, and the facts of the case that it explores, are both sobering and staggering. They reveal how the couple took advice from unregulated charlatans who sold them a “crock of nonsense” that there was some “trick of the legal loop” through which they could avoid paying their debts. “Such people are fraudsters who, like all fraudsters, prey on the vulnerable,” according to Judge Barrett.

    In this case, the judge granted the repossession order, but noted that it could be between 18 and 24 months before it would be enforced upon. During that time, he appealed to the couple to engage with MABS and their lender to work out a deal, stating that Start was still prepared to “play ball”.

    We talk, rightly, a lot about the hard-line approach of lenders and vulture funds. But this case explores the other side of the equation, when borrowers seek to do everything possible to avoid paying money that everyone else accepts is due.

    So, just how did the couple approach the issue with Start Mortgages, and what arguments did they put before the court to advance their case?

    Litigation by filibuster

    Justice Max Barrett was not entirely sure if the couple had taken advice directly from so-called charlatans, or just downloaded documents from the internet that had been drafted by them. Either way, it followed a familiar playbook as the couple sought to explain why the action was meritless despite not making any effort at all to repay any money since 2017.

    “While they have come up with all manner of complaints about the procedures and processes employed against them, they cannot get around the ‘elephant in the room’ which is that they freely borrowed money, they freely secured those borrowings on their home, those borrowings are contractually required to be repaid, and, regretfully, if they continue to refuse to pay back what is owing, they may yet lose their home,” according to the judgement.

    The judge went through some “oddities” of the documents that had been furnished by the couple as part of the action. One document was headed: “NOTICE TO AGENT IS, NOTICE TO PRINCAPLE IS, NOTICE TO AGENT”. Judge Barrett said it was a mis-spelled statement that “seems designed to look official but makes no sense: Who is the agent/principal of whom mention is made and what on earth is the purpose of the notice?”

    Another document purported to require court officials to answer questions within a stated timeframe, asserting that otherwise the court official is stated to agree with whatever idea is being advanced. The judge said that in real life, “it is simply not possible to bind a State official by writing a letter offering a point of view and say ‘Unless you answer my questions by X date, you will be taken [by whom?] to agree with my point of view’. Private persons do not enjoy such powers of coercion”.

    Another document invoked irrelevant religious documentation, including this phrase: “The MOTO PROPRIO of francis is in full force and you are not immune from the criminal sanctions associated with same”.

    Rebutting this argument, Judge Barrett said that ‘motu proprio’ is a form of papal document and “the current Catholic pontiff – presumably the ‘Francis’ to whom reference is made, albeit using a disrespectful small ‘f’ – may be an esteemed gentleman but he has nothing to do with the enforcement of debts owing under Irish contract law and no role in Irish criminal law or in Irish law more generally”.

    The judge also noted a “blizzard of bewildering documentation” unleashed by the couple on Start Mortgages as part of these proceedings, something that counsel for Start referred to at one point as “litigation by filibuster”.

    The case began in the Circuit Court, before being appealed up to the High Court. And, again, it is worth stressing that this is over €15,000.

    A defence of 27 parts

    This was just the start of it. When the matter reached court, the couple put forward dozens of different arguments to support their defence. To his credit, Judge Barrett has done his best to identify all of them, and his judgement outlines 27 different arguments made by the couple over the course of the legal action.

    However, each of the 27 had one thing in common – they had nothing to do with the debt due. “A striking feature of the arguments made by the defendants throughout the proceedings is the continuing effort never to engage with the substance of what must be engaged with, viz. their continuing default on their loan obligations. That is all that the mortgagee is concerned with, and that is what the defendants have never properly addressed,” according to Judge Barrett.

    I would not normally work through each of the 27 arguments, but I think it is useful context as it gives a real insight into what some mortgage charlatans are peddling to struggling and impressionable borrowers.

    Argument 1. That the Circuit Court did not have jurisdiction.

    This was straightforward. The court did in fact have jurisdiction.

    Argument 2. That sending unanswered letters to the Circuit Court President and the County Registrar renders the within proceedings deficient.

    Once Circuit Court proceedings commence, there are formal processes in place whereby parties file and exchange documents and proceed with their case. Judge Barrett said these formal processes exist to ensure maximum fairness and that it “was not for the defendants to invent their own procedures, write letters setting timelines for the reply, and then claim that because their self-invented procedures were not complied with, this somehow robbed the Circuit Court of jurisdiction”.

    Argument 3: That filing a standard financial statement was not a mortgage obligation.

    This point relates to a statement required by the Central bank in the event of a mortgage being restructured, where the borrowers outline their financial position. Judge Barrett said it was “a most strange position for defaulting mortgagors to adopt that they should state in effect, ‘Yes, we borrowed money; yes, we have defaulted; but no, we won’t give you a statement of my financial position so that you and we can discuss, like responsible adults, how best to proceed’.”

    Argument 4: That the defendants did not consent to the within proceedings.

    Elizabeth Cussen contended that because she had not consented to these proceedings they could not properly be brought. “The proposition need only be stated to see that it is wrong,” the judge said.

    Argument 5: That the term “principal private residence” is not defined in the Act of 2013.

    This contention is correct. However, the judge said thew was no doubt that the mortgaged property is the ‘principal private residence’ of the defendants, and it was acknowledged by them to be such in an affidavit.

    Argument 6: That there has been a breach of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations.

    Judge Barrett said he had read all the relevant documentation and is unable to see a single term that could properly be described as unfair in how it operates between the parties to these proceedings.

    Argument 7: That the defendants have not had opportunity properly to defend these summary proceedings.

    The judge pointed out they had – both at Circuit Court level and again in the High Court.

    Argument 8: That there have been breaches of human rights law and international instruments.

    Amid all this mention of rights, the judge said there was “one right which has very clearly been breached here, which is the contractual right of Start Mortgages to be repaid monies that were lawfully loaned in a lawful transaction that the defendants lawfully and freely participated in”.

    Argument 9: That sight of original mortgage documents has been refused.

    Barrett noted that there was no ‘magic’ to original documents and that “even if original loan/mortgage documents were lost or destroyed, a lending institution could proceed on copy documents (or on other evidence of a transaction): it would still but have to establish an outstanding contractual liability on the balance of probabilities”.

    Argument 10: That the Master made some comments favourable to the defendants.

    Out of kindness to the couple, the Master of the High Court, at an earlier stage of these proceedings, made some comments favourable to them. “The court is not bound by those well-intentioned remarks,” the judge said.

    Argument 11: That the benefit of an order for possession cannot be assigned.

    It can, according to Judge Barrett.

    Argument 12: That the property (and the charge on same) has not been registered with the Land Registry.

    It had been registered.

    Argument 13: That there was undue influence at play in taking out the credit and effecting the mortgage.

    This point was mooted in an affidavit of Elizabeth Cussen and it was not clear to the judge whether she means that she was unduly influenced by her husband or vice versa. “However, the parties enjoyed the benefit of legal advice as regards the execution of the mortgage, so this argument does not stand up to scrutiny,” the judgment states.

    Argument 14: That there has been some (vaguely referenced) GDPR breach by Permanent TSB and/or Start.

    The court did not know if there has been such a breach. However, the judge said that that is a matter for a stand-alone complaint that does not impact on these proceedings.

    Argument 15: That legal costs were added to the arrears outstanding.

    This was an action for possession, not for summary judgment and so the focus of the court was on whether there have been no defaults in the making of the monthly repayments and not the exact figure owing.

    Argument 16: That there was a contretemps with a summons server.

    The judge accepted that there was a form of disagreement with a summons server. However, an order for substituted service was later obtained and service was duly effected.

    Argument 17: That there was non-compliance with the Code of Conduct on Mortgage Arrears.

    The evidence before the court was there the lender had complied with the code.

    Argument 18: That Mr Cussen was handling matters with the mortgagee, not Ms Cussen.

    According to the judge: “At all times correspondence was sent to Mr Cussen and also to Ms Cussen. So Ms Cussen was placed by the mortgagee in a position where she knew how matters were proceeding and could decide herself how best to proceed. Even at the hearing of the within proceedings Start continued, to use a colloquialism, ‘to hold out the olive branch’ that Ms Cussen could seek to engage with Start if she wished”.

    Argument 19: That Start is not the right plaintiff.

    All the paperwork was in order in relation to the loan transfer from PTSB to Start. Therefore, Start was the right plaintiff.

    Argument 20: That the mortgage pre-dates the acceptance of the loan.

    Factually, this was not the case, and no monies were advanced prior to the acceptance.

    Argument 21: That, up to 2017, some (in truth, notably limited) efforts at repayment were made post-default.

    The relevant point is that the requisite number of defaults occurred for the within proceedings to ensue. “The problem for the defendants is that they never in any meaningful sense engaged with the mortgagee as regards the repayment of the outstanding arrears,” the judge said.

    Argument 22: That the mortgagee engaged in reckless lending.

    There is no tort of reckless lending presently known to Irish law and it is not within the competence of the courts to invent such a tort, the judge stated.

    Argument 23: That Ms Cussen gave some indication of wishing to speak with Start Mortgages.

    The judgement states: “As the court has now repeatedly stated, it was made expressly clear to Ms Cussen in court that she can still re-engage with Start: to this time, she has elected not to do so.”

    Argument 24: That MABS indicated that it would only assist when the possession order was obtained.

    This was a point made by Elizabeth Cussen in her submissions but was not supported by any evidence. “What it does know is that even if this was said to Ms Cussen (and the court has no idea if it was), it has no impact on the within application,” Barrett said.

    Argument 25: That Start has unfairly sought to avail of a fast-track procedure.

    The judge said that at any time “following on the issuance of that Civil Bill, the defendants could have sought to engage properly with the mortgagee, they could do so still, and yet they have failed to do so”.

    Argument 26: That the court should have regard to certain general observations of the ECB.

    ECB observations, though clearly emanating from an esteemed body, are not determinative of parties’ rights in a possession application, the judge said.

    Argument 27: That Start may have difficulty exercising a right of way vis-à-vis the mortgaged property should it enter into possession of same.

    “This is an issue for another day, not for these proceedings,” the judge said.

    A window of opportunity

    Summing up the action, the judge encouraged the couple to engage properly with MABS and seek legal aid, adding that “there may still be a means of resolving matters without them losing their home”.

    He stated:

    “As a rule of thumb, there will likely be about 18-24 months before the possession order that the court will issue pursuant to this judgment will fall to be enforced. The defendants thus have a final window of opportunity to do as they ought to have done before now, which is to engage properly with the mortgagee, engage properly with MABS, and perhaps also seek legal aid. Though they are not assured of getting what they want if they proceed as just indicated the unattractive alternative, if they proceed in a manner akin to how they have thus far proceeded, is that, regretfully, they stand to lose their family home.”

    We have yet to witness the tsunami of repossession that many expected. This is largely due to banks and borrowers working on a solution. However, as this case shows, when charlatans offer a “crock of nonsense,” there is little a bank or a court can do to stop a repossession.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭eldamo


    Is this the same chap? Lord when you start going down this path you make everything in your life difficult.

    From the looks of facebook posts the wife isn't the poor victim of his daftness that is being made out, there are a pair of them in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    He seems have a bit of history with gardai.

    From the Integrity Ireland facebook page back in October 2015

    Wexford Circuit Criminal Court tomorrow 10.30am - I-I supporter Chris Cussen has lodged an appeal from the District Court over a conviction for 'non-use of indicators' - the continuation of over 10 years of allegedly vexatious charges and harassment by certain Gardai - one of whom has been summoned to appear tomorrow. Chris is confident he has a strong case tomorrow.. support appreciated..

    I wonder if he has a religious exemption from car insurance?




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    If you do a search for Cussen under ficticious names you will find him and his wife




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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,828 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I happened to be watching an old episode of Stop, Search, Seize last night.

    Young woman with nice shiny BMW she didn't feel like paying VRT on (about 3k), Customs had been watching the car for some time (and her numerous Facebook posts, in her real name, on how to evade VRT) and pulled her over.

    "You can't seize my car", "you're not seizing my car", "you don't have the right", "VRT is illegal and the government has to pay a fine every year", "human rights", "European Court", etc. etc. going on for what seemed like an hour or more

    Predictably, ended up with her sobbing at the side of the road as the car was towed away. 1800 euro (10% of assessed value of the car) to get it back and then a month to pay the 3k or it'll be seized again.

    Why do people insist on making life hard for themselves? If you can't afford to pay the VRT on an 18k car then buy a 15k car...

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    Argument 10: That the Master made some comments favourable to the defendants.

    Out of kindness to the couple, the Master of the High Court, at an earlier stage of these proceedings, made some comments favourable to them. “The court is not bound by those well-intentioned remarks,” the judge said.

    Ed giving false hopes again I see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,828 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Can't the government remove him?

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    well-intentioned remarks

    I love a well written judgement. You know exactly what they meant without them saying it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    The removal (and indeed appointment) of the Master is CS matter, not a Government one.

    There are only limited statutory circumstances in which the Master can be removed from office, the President of the High Court has complete discretion in which powers and duties the Master will have (or not have), however, he does not have the power to simply dismiss him either, that can only be done if I remember correctly via a joint resolution of the Chief Justice and the President of the High Court.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,828 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well they need to get on it. His actions bring the Courts Service into disrepute, imho.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    A sovereign citizen  attempted to carry out a citizen's arrest of a court judge after telling him he did not recognise his authority before being wrestled away by security guards. 28 days custody for being an idiot.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭eldamo


    The escalation, didn't pay a parking ticket, assaulted the clamper, tried to assault the judge... lives on welfare avenue...



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,553 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    The Hub are only interested in the long game these days which will ultimately be "Ruled inadmissible at the earliest possible stage" in the ECtHR. It seems every second Supreme Court determination these days laments **** photocopied arguments which all seem to stem from one particular source, which no one can quite own up to.

    The poor Court of Appeal has had to deal with about 6 Jerry Beades judgments in the last month. One strand of actions concerned the former global HQ of The Hub and as ever it was noted in the judgments that these properties have had paying tenants over a decade now and no sign of the cash making its way to the bank. Cha-ching!

    In other business related news, I see that Ben's free speech app is no longer free, costing just €2 per month. A small price to pay, I'm sure we'll all agree.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭whippet


    For my sins I did sign up to Gilroy project .. it is just a dumping ground for all the other nonsense that is on their Facebook feeds ... I was swiftly removed from the app when I actually corrected a claim made by someone .. so rather than being an uncensored playground it is predictably quick with the ban hammers for anyone who deviates from the echo chamber



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭eldamo


    I wonder how he will compete with the Trump Media Technology Group and their offering, Truth Social, it must be a tough time being a freeman grifter with such a big fish in the waters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,828 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    How the two of them weren't sent down for contempt of court, I don't know.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭blackwhite




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,828 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hmmm wonder if charges will arise out of the Letterkenny incident.

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭eldamo


    2 new updates after a long silence, came here both times expecting the biblical burkes, both times it was someone else...


    just a reminder that there are more tools in the world than you might imagine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,828 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011




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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,828 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    He is more or less unemployable I reckon. If he was self-employed he'd probably take himself to the tribunal

    Life ain't always empty.



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