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Civil Servant Covid Recognition

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭Deeec


    You don't have to say anything. I find in these situations it's better to be honest. I don't see why you wouldn't share the situation with your son. Chances are everyone knows anyway. His friends probably know why your son isn't in school and have told everyone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You seem to be confused between "a conversation" and actual facts. I'll have to assume that you were spoofing about the "plenty of examples".



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    And just to be clear, you're speaking for ALL Mammies there, and you're confident that there are no Mammies out there with different opinions to you?

    BTW, a lack of disagreement from others to the bossy, cliquey mammies who run these groups does not mean that everyone agrees. It just means that others can't be arsed with explaining concepts like privacy and confidentiality.

    Post edited by AndrewJRenko on


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Why I wouldn't share my sons situation?


    Privacy? Nobody else's business. Naturally his friend does know as do the school in an official sence, but we tend not to wish to broadcast information like that. So if there a WhatsApp group of 20 or 30 people I wouldn't want to let the world know

    It's not a big deal either way for me to be honest



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko



    Chances are you have no idea about what you don't know. Don't assume that everyone blabs about private medical information.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Obviously you’ve loads of respect for parents. Of course fathers have no interest in their children’s day to day education. Wimmins work, is it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Andy you seem to have a HUGE chip on your shoulder. Relax a little!

    We share relevant information which is helpful to each other. Parents also chat at the school gates, at birthday party and play date picks ups and drop offs which isnt any different really to whats app groups. Most people dont have a problem discussing their children - the good and the bad. If someone wants to remain private noone has a problem with that either - most people want to discuss stuff though.

    Try talking to your kids friends parents sometimes - you may actually find it helpful. You may actually then understand more about real life and not be talking nonsense on boards.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Agreed.


    I'm one of those public health background workers and I deserve feck all extra. I worked from home, yes, like thousands of others.

    To be fair, everyone in my department is singing from the same hymn-sheet. We did our jobs, like always, just from home. The only thing we did get was a slightly earlier vaccine because we do have to make regular calls into care centres.

    Nurses and Paramedics to porters and cleaners however? It would be easy enough to split out the actual frontliners and give them a meaningful bonus. Dealing with a once in a 100 years pandemic is not "Just doing their jobs". They ran exceptionally higher risk than almost anyone else did. Seeing nurses have to isolate away from their partners and kids for weeks, because of a global PPE shortage. Seeing them have to work multiple extra shifts because of staff numbers depressed through infection/exposure.

    It is the height of Irish begrudgery to complain about massive government mismanagement in the health service, causing misspend and resource misallocation. All causing actual frontline workers to be understaffed, in regular times, to THEN complain that these same understaffed workers held the health service together through sacrificing their own physical/mental wellbeing when a Once-in-a-century event happens.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Some people talk, some people don't. I'm very familiar with the school gate scenario, though mine are older now. I'm also very familiar with the cliques that emerge and the parents who don't get invited to the coffee chats and who's kids don't get invited to playdates. WhatsApp group traffic are not a measure of consensus.

    I wasn't the one who brought up 'mammies', so take out your condescension on the other poster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You can come up with as many mythical scenarios as you like, it doesn't change the facts. Unless you are that teacher's principal, you don't know what work they are doing or aren't doing, you don't know whether the teacher is out on sick leave or other leave. You just don't know.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭square ball



    Just wondering what kinda work you did during the pandemic?

    The government decided to throw money at the pandemic and weren't pushed about the result. They should have stopped the PUP when they reopened the country. Places are closing down now because they can't get staff. These issues were flagged from day 1 by staff working with the Department.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,272 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    DPER issued a circular that there would be no overtime or time off in lieu for those working from home.

    But the job still needed to be done and in many cases it took longer when out of the office, especially early on when procedures were still being worked out.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    Your employer’s position on working beyond contracted hours seems clear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    If they didn't keep paying the PUP you'd have those silver spoon socialists screaming that the most vulnerable were being left behind


    Of course there is a fine balance between the 2, but I know anecdotally of more that half a dozen that should never have received the PUP in the first instance, and more that did but never signed off at the appropriate time.

    To counter this, the government had to make people feel that they were being protected by the state going into and during the pandemic. Lots will hurl from the ditch afterwards

    Voters will decide if they were successful.

    Post edited by AckwelFoley on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭cms88


    Are you saying then that the comments here and elsewhere from parents etc are lies? Do you also think a principal is going to say anythng other then they were all working?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    I'm nearly as sick listening to all the chat about bonus / recognition/ bank holiday as I am about Covid at this stage

    The only recognition in my opinion is to the staff of hospitals . Everyone else needs to get over themselves

    There were teachers who went above and beyond, also those who did sweet FA

    There were civil servants who went above and beyond, also those who did sweet FA

    This happens all the time in every career

    On one hand people giving out about PUP payments going to the wrong people etc, giving out about the government spending and yet people jumping on the band wagon and looking for a handout



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭cms88


    How much more actual facts do you need than people telling you actually happened? Unless of coure you're calling then lairs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    'Actual facts' tend to have some kind of validation or verification. You don't get to post something here and call it an 'actual fact'.

    But regardless of your attempt to turn this into a personal issue, no parent knows exactly what any particular was doing or not doing. That's an assumption, not a fact.

    So where are your 'plenty of examples' gone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    The fact that many kids did not receive tuition during times when schools were closed due to Covid is not an assumption, nor is the assumption that teachers who did nothing for their students were actually working a fact. What is an unarguable fact is that many kids did not receive tuition, and as tuition is the clearest expression of a teacher doing the job they are paid to do, it is a very fair assumption that they were not in fact doing their job.

    I’m assuming you can understand that Andrew, unfortunately though, that is not a fact, so here is a simpler question: If an active teacher isn’t teaching/communicating/ supporting/preparing their students, whatever way you want to describe their work practices, they are not doing what they are tasked/paid to do, what other work would they be doing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They could be sick, for example, with Covid for example. They could be doing other duties assigned by the principal, such as preparing materials or providing 1:1 support.

    There's probably another fifty options that I haven't thought of too.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭cms88


    My god. People have posted their own actual experiences here and that's still not good enough for you?

    Again there here for you to see but you just chose to ignore them.

    Anyway this is going nowhere so i'm not going to reposed to you anymore. It;s here for you to see if you don't want to see it well that's your own problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So you never had 'plenty of examples' in the first place. Good to have cleared that up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    In the case of illness, the Principal or teacher would inform students/parents of their absence, irrespective of the 50 other ridiculous options you can think of, the function of a teacher is to provide tuition, if they are not doing it, the parents/students should be informed why.

    Would you expect parents/students to accept being told that a teacher who didn’t show up for class for 3 months and left students without tuition was “doing other duties”? Of course not, this is more obfuscation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭Deeec


    A teacher's job is to teach all the kids in their class. I am as a parent saying that this didn't happen during lockdown so they were not doing their job end of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,639 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Parents/students don't get to be informed 'why' of anything. The 'why' is none of their business. Yes, they would normally be advised if there is an absence, and who knows what happened in the cases mentioned above. Let's not run away with ourselves on one-sided stories by people with an axe to grind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭cms88


    Lets try one more time. The examples are here in this topic and others. You just refuse to accept them.

    'One sided stories funny. You're the who only wants to hear one side of the story.

    So tell us are you a primary or secondary school teacher?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭cms88


    Don't waste your time no matter what you say he'll never accept it



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭Deeec


    I completely agree. I think Andy is best ignored - he's just trying to wind us up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,203 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    This really is ridiculous.

    Of course a principal would have to inform parents if their kids were left without a teacher for 3 months, they would not divulge the nature of the illness, only that the teacher is unable to attend class. Having had school going kids for 25 yrs, they of course were informed when teachers were absent,

    To think that a teacher could be doing “other duties” for 3 months leaving kids without tuition, and still be considered teaching is just bonkers.

    Please tell us all, reassure us that you are not a teacher.

    I hate this new site, I really miss the ignore tab.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭cms88


    By his logic if a child has or is a close contact of someone whit Covid then it's none of the teachers business..



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