No Time to Die Spoilers from post #1449 onward

breezy1985 · 29-09-2021 9:59pm

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Well Craig is getting as old and leathery looking as later Moore Bond

MisterAnarchy · 29-09-2021 10:06pm

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He looks alot older than Moore at the same age.

I didnt realise that Craig has a 29 year old daughter.

Fred Astaire · 30-09-2021 3:41am

I saw this at a midnight showing. Trying to keep spoiler free.

I hated it, it's still raw for me but as a Bond fan it's right up there with the worst Bond movies ever made. Really hated the whole thing - the movie hinges on you buying into Bond and Madeleine as a pairing, and she is possibly the worst love interest he has ever had. Infact the movie really needs you to invest into Madeleine as a character (even seperate from the Bond pairing) and she is just so, so dull.

The movie is pointlessly long - the plot is threadbare and what little story there is verges into the ridiculous.

Rami Malek's Safin was really, really poor - just a flat out boring character. His motivations and goals are either unclear, nonsensical or uninteresting - and it takes quite a while for him to even show up. The grand plan is so hokey and the implications it has for the characters are bordering on the ridiculous.

I expected myself to hate Lashana Lynch's character and she ended up being way down my list of complaints here. She wasn't bad, she definitely gets a few too many free verbal hits in on Bond, though if anything her character could have done with more developing - which is mental to say when you consider the runtime.

There is something else that happens that will be divisive but I was so mentally checked out by that point that I didn't care.

The good - The best scene features Ana De Armas and it takes place in the first act. Everything after this scene is a boring slog. Infact shes the best thing in the movie and has less screentime than every character I listed above. Some of the shots were ok I guess, and Zimmer was decent.

OU812 · 30-09-2021 7:36am

Time to unfollow this thread

pixelburp · 30-09-2021 8:47am

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Oh my feelings are fine, they're not so brittle they need to "rationalise" contrary opinions as some sort of mental deficiency. Cos, ya know, that'd make me an ásshole. While also indulging in a bout of massive irony.

Well. I am an ásshole, but while I disagree with about half the regular posters on this thread, I don't have the snide arrogance to think it's 'cos they're "sheep" or intellectually inferior creatures. lol. Go with god if you think yourself a alpha, Free Thinker among the herd; the rest of us plebs will be back here, having rigorous, harmless chat about a film series with submarine cars, giants with steel teeth, and characters called Pussy Galore.

loyatemu · 30-09-2021 9:38am

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BBC4 repeated the show where Mark Gatiss and Matthew Sweet discuss the Bond actors last night (which is good fun - check it out on the iPlayer if you have access).

They showed a couple of clips from AVTAK and Moore looked ancient in that film; not helped by having Chris Walken and Grace Jones acting opposite him.

santana75 · 30-09-2021 10:09am

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Thanks for the review, I have a feeling you may be right in what you've said. I have tickets booked for saturday night and I dont have high expectations. Hopefully that'll mean I can only be pleasantly surprised.

Ash.J.Williams · 30-09-2021 10:14am

has remi finally been found out?

Fred Astaire · 30-09-2021 10:43am

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Well if you buy into Madeleine as a character even slightly more than I do then you will have a better time with this.

You might find plenty to enjoy - hopefully you do.

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I think the problems with that character are more script based than anything - it never gives you a reason to be interested in the character, he never seems like a real threat. His goals (aside from being bad) are not very clear. There's also a scene late in the final act which is played for comedy which I found completely undercut his presence. I loved Mr.Robot so it wasn't like I was going in underwhelmed by the casting of Rami Malek - but what transpired on the screen made me find the character awful.

fryup · 30-09-2021 11:25am

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and also Patrick MacNee, who was also ancient at that stage

Dades · 30-09-2021 12:14pm

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You have a point. Martin Campbell made Goldeneye and Casino Royale, and it wouldn't be unfair to call him a jobbing director. And Sam Mendes gave us Spectre which looked great, but was as fun as a funeral.

30-09-2021 12:19pm

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I suspect that you are right also.

Haven't really read reviews but going from the quotes on Metacritic about "emotional catharses" (but the script not having the substance) it seems to pivot about the couple gig and it being a Craig movie rather than a Bond movie and bloated in length, with the highlight being the pre-opening credits scene.

"Least exciting but most moving Craig Bond movie" is another worrying line there.

The only Bond movie that carried a whole film on a relationship was "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" and we already know that this present couple was not convincing in the very slightest from Spectre.

Bond Movies and excessive pathos just don't mix in a convincing manner.

All the British press seem to be doling out 5 stars - BBC, Telegraph, Guardian, The Times

Cringe.

Seems like they are having a "Michael Collins" moment.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/no-time-to-die/critic-reviews

Fred Astaire · 30-09-2021 12:35pm

Maybe they are coming at it from a different perspective but my perspective is that I am a Bond fan. I guess it's like the Last Jedi all over again with certain critics v long term fans of the franchise. I have seen every Bond movie multiple times as my uncle was a Bond fan too and we used to 'bond' over talking about them.

I just find it incredible that I can pick a good 20 Bond movies that I would rather have seen a direct sequel to than Spectre, and as Bond girls go, I cannot believe the one they chose to bring back AND make so important and critical to the story is one of the worst ever.

Even from the Craig era alone, if they are giving this 5 stars than Casino Royale must be worth 500 stars.

I wasn't sitting there hating every moment, there are some alright bits in the first act - as I mentioned before with De Armas. Coincidentally these scenes are scenes where Bond is not with Madeleine. But once the pieces of the main Madeleine centric plot start falling into place it takes a catastrophic nosedive.

Homelander · 30-09-2021 12:53pm

I thought Skyfall was quite decent but watched Spectre last night and honestly thought it was terrible. Some good action scenes and it looks great but the plot was painfully generic and stupid, like an episode of a kids cartoon.

30-09-2021 12:56pm

Spectre had the "Day of the Dead" carnival scene which was a well-executed and colourful set piece but the rest of the movie was unconvincing rubbish.

breezy1985 · 30-09-2021 1:00pm

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Sounds like everything I hate about Craig Bond. Every plot or person has to be some emotional link or call back to Bonds past and it's got terrible small world syndrome going on. You would think the shockingly poor thing they done to Blofeld would be the tipping point but they are still at it seemingly

MisterAnarchy · 30-09-2021 1:06pm

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Its going to be a very divisive film, I think alot of longstanding Bond fans will hate it.

In may ways it completely pisses all over the Bond legacy, especially some of the most famous characters.

breezy1985 · 30-09-2021 1:12pm

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A number of the Craig villains not only know who he is but he is also their motivation and main target

FunLover18 · 30-09-2021 1:22pm

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It was a very strange route to take for the producers expecially as CR QoS has done so well to set up Quantum (remember them) as an organisation with so much influence and Bond was literally just a fly in the ointment. They went from that to Bond is the person the ointment is for.

I think I'll be seeing NTTD on Wednesday but if I weren't going with a group of mates, I really don't know if I would bother. After Spectre my expectations are very low.

~Rebel~ · 30-09-2021 2:01pm

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It is at least a verrry different type of director, with some new blood in the writers room - so I’d at least expect it to be different to Spectre… and hopefully in doing so, better. But we’ll see!

pixelburp · 30-09-2021 2:11pm

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Mendes wasn't meant to return for Spectre IIRC; he said as much publicly - yet still returned to the chair. And whatever else Spectre was, compared with Skyfall it felt so lazy, so half-ássed and perfunctory. Skyfall has divided folk, and its plot is kinda gubbins, but IMO can't be argued it didn't possess a distinctive directorial flair. So I wonder was Mendes truly done with Bond, but someone had a quiet word in his ear about either a giant paycheque or potential future doors remaining open - if he directed another. To the extent I quickly checked if 1917 had any Bond connection, but no.

Martin Campbell is a good pro, the type someone like James Mangold continues to show a need for; jobbing, enthusiastic directors who still have a keen eye and obvious talent - if lacking that X factor creativity. More of a solid tradesman than showy auteur, and leagues away from a total hack like ... I dunno, Olivier Megaton. Or, as it has turned out, M Night Shyamalan.

MisterAnarchy · 30-09-2021 2:55pm

One of the main problem with the scripts are the writers Neal Purvis and Robert Wade.

They are poor writers, they simply arent up to the job.

They cowrote The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day.

Their script for Casino Royale was rewritten by Paul Haggis and their script for Skyfall was rewritten by John Logan.

They have credits on Spectre too despite saying that they were finished with Bond after their script for Skyfall was rewritten.

They are back again for No Time To Die and it seems some of the the plot lines are rehashed ideas they had for previous films.

30-09-2021 4:05pm

I must say I was impressed by the movie this morning, quite the experience in the cinema - though strangely it was was virtually empty. Enjoyed seeing locations I had visited in the Faeroe Islands, and Norway below (from my snaps 2016)

bennyl10 · 30-09-2021 5:26pm

Thoroughly impressed With that, maybe 15 mins too long, but a very very good bond movie!

Decent action, great characters and emotion

anyone who comes out with “woke” or other bs either went in Blinkered or is living in the 50s!

30-09-2021 5:37pm

Fun fact- NTTD is 85% the duration of Gandhi

30-09-2021 6:40pm

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I saw a trailer last night that I'd not seen before. There was a drone and Bond piloting some form of small strike fighter. It added to my worries. I loved the gritty, realistic Craig Bond. Casino Royale and Skyfall being my favourites, there were no super-niche skills used. I liked Brosnan and Tomorrow Never Dies would be my favourite of his movies, but that was still the unrealistic Bond. Is it really plausible that Brosnan-Bond can pilot a Russian made fighter, so well that he can take out another fighter while being strangled? I liked the, in the words of Vesper Lind, "Former SAS types, with easy smiles and expensive watches" kind of Bond. It's no longer believable to me that Craig-Bond can fly fighters or defuse nuclear bombs.

Before Craig, my favourite was Dalton, who also didn't employ any crazy skills. In the Living Daylights it was mostly just good marksmanship, with sledding down a hill in a cello case being the main outlandish bit.

30-09-2021 6:50pm

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I sat down to watch Spectre a while back but remembered all the scenes when I saw them, so must have already seen it and not remembered it. So, I've seen it twice and still don't remember any of it apart from the opening scene, and a bit where Bond infiltrates what looks like a gathering of the local Lodge of the Freemasons. Then Christopher Walz pops up and greets Bond. Thats all I remember from two watches.

Spectre had the "Day of the Dead" carnival scene which was a well-executed and colourful set piece but the rest of the movie was unconvincing rubbish.

Fun fact: Mexico City have held Day of the Dead every year since... 2016. Doing a yearly parade was inspired by the one they did for Spectre.

30-09-2021 6:54pm

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The emotion was terrific, wasn’t it! You really identified with the chief protagonists. I had to tell myself it wasn’t real before emerging from the dark, as if it could remotely be real!

MisterAnarchy · 30-09-2021 7:13pm

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I thought is was disappointing when I watched it.

It had potential but in the end it was just a series of action scenes.

There was no real plot or coherence and it didnt make much sense.

Style over substance.

breezy1985 · 30-09-2021 7:27pm

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