Heavyweight Boxing

yourdeadwright · 28-09-2021 02:26PM

Anyone know much about Malik Scott as a coach ?

I had a look at his Instagram & he a bit off a odd dude,

Pictures of him coaching looking professional then loads picture in himself & his missus in there undies in different parts of the house , all a bit weird if you ask me,

The Nal · 28-09-2021 02:30PM

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Agree. And maybe not a realistic view of Wilders KO power, he didnt get to him in either fight like hes got to other fighters. If Wilder lands really clean it will be interesting. Ive absolutely no idea whats going to happen.

iebamm2580 · 28-09-2021 02:33PM

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Yeah true, that second left hand he landed before fury went down in fight1 was clean enough though, i know not his power hand, wilder also has to be worried about furys power now which he wasn't in the first fight, but that will def be in his head that he can be hurt now.

yourdeadwright · 28-09-2021 02:57PM

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To be fair Wilder has fought Ortiz twice and that's it from the top 10 ( bar Fury )

Ortiz would have also put him away in there first fight if he wasn't 39 at the time ,

Since Wilder KO'd his trainer back in 2014 , he has had only 2 really quick Ko's Stiverne who was a fat pig & was two year retired & Breazeale which was a very good victory ,

Fury must have seen that and thought ye know what iv time to get out there and put it on him and that's what he done and will do again ,

OmegaGene · 28-09-2021 05:18PM

Alex the guy that manages Usyk has said Joshuas team have activated the rematch, part two should be another good fight

OmegaGene · 28-09-2021 05:21PM

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that was a fantastic recovery and something i watch every now and then, the sheer determination in him to get up and fight on was amazing

meanwhile Wilder was there celebrating the victory

The Nal · 28-09-2021 05:26PM

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I really dont think that was a big punch, relatively. Fury was leaning down, got clipped with a short right and then hit with a left. Wasnt a KO punch, Fury was more tired than anything.

walshb · 28-09-2021 06:02PM

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The getting up wasn't the hard bit at all. He was down for 9-10 seconds. His attitude when action resumed was the real commendable part

He got up because he could get up. He was awake when he decided to get up. Natural reaction from anyone.

OmegaGene · 28-09-2021 06:44PM

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I’m talking about getting up and fighting on like he did, everyone including wilder thought he was done

going from 27-28 stone getting floored and coming back and doing the job he did in the rematch will be remembered for years to come

walshb · 28-09-2021 07:03PM

He lost weight. Big deal. He’s a big man. Most of it was just pure gluttony. Eat proper and ease back into training and the weight falls off. Majority of it just excess flab

passatman86 · 28-09-2021 07:46PM

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You would make a mint becoming a personal trainer lol

walshb · 28-09-2021 07:51PM

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I guess I could. Been weight managing many many years..

It’s not rocket science. Fury is 6 feet 9, and if he wasn’t a pro boxer he’d be easily walking around 300+ lbs.

He went off the rails on a gluttony buzz and gained 100 lbs or so on top of what his training/fighting weight was.

Loads boxers have done similar, relatively speaking. Hatton used to go up to 190 or so out of camp. Duran similar.

I don’t get the wow and awe because a big man gains weight and then loses it to resume his boxing career. It’s just flab/fat from gluttony.

Oh, and tens of millions of dollars being dangled in in front of you to get in shape? Talk about a walk in the park!!!

squinn2912 · 28-09-2021 11:17PM

The Fury comeback has been fantastic. I don;t think it’s right or fair to dismiss it. Going ten stone overweight no matter what height he is was a serious depth to have to climb back out of.

Wilder has fought some utter turkeys. I just took a peep and Audley was his 28th fight, and that was like a billion years ago itself. He did have two (I think) Povetkin fights cancelled. He was on for going to Russia to fight him so I think he’s game enough. Ortiz is a good boxer who has been avoided those are two good wins. And many a ref would have called off the Fury fight, that would have been him getting out of jail big time (he did anyway) but it was insanely close to a victory. Imagine then he got a fight with Joshua and KO’d him too. Meanwhile Fury could’ve walked away or tried to get a rematch or whatever - the whole thing could’ve been changed very easily.

Anyhow I’m rambling...

walshb · 29-09-2021 08:14AM

I think the big three all have similar resumes. Fury and Wilder met each other, which differentiates them slightly from AJ, but now AJ has met Usyk, who many consider right close to number 1.

I think Fury at 1, Usyk 2 and AJ/Wilder equal.

By spring next year those ratings could change. What if Wilder wins next week and AJ wins the rematch…

As myself and others have noted, outside these 4 the division is just underwhelming.

walshb · 29-09-2021 01:24PM

Funny, as poor as I thought AJ was on Saturday, I still feel the exact same way about him and Wilder.

It is always going to a 1-3 rounds shootout. So, for AJ to win he has to go in to end it ASAP.

AJ goes in trying to box, then likely he gets taken out himself. He will hardly go 12 rds without tasting power

Kind of a 50-50, and if it was to go 12 rds, I'd be quite confident AJ wins a clean decision

eagle eye · 29-09-2021 02:10PM

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You come across like you are 15 or 16 years of age. Grow up and discuss fighters instead of abusing people. You'll never get any respect for your opinions if you keep at that.

eagle eye · 29-09-2021 02:14PM

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The Joshua we seen the other night was awful and he's been on a downward spiral for a while now.

Personally I think his only chance is to go back to being the big boy with massive power if he can do that again.

He has no hope trying to win a sparring match with Usyk. Only chance he has is to push him around the ring and try get him out of there before he gases.

walshb · 29-09-2021 02:22PM

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Yes, good points.....Simple: Needs to give it a "proper" go.

I did not see that Saturday, no matter how effective Usyk was, I was sitting there wondering when was AJ going to start fighting.

Will really look forward to the rematch. And, maybe Usyk will be even better....because if AJ isn't really up for it, he won't reverse the result

Cyrus · 29-09-2021 02:32PM

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i had the same feeling, kept waiting for him to mount a sustained offence.

Watching it back when you know the outcome made it look a lot more comfortable for Usyk.

Blanco100 · 29-09-2021 02:35PM

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Did Loma tell him to go away? Probably lost in translation. Does it look like Bellew is being escorted out of the building there?

Blanco100 · 29-09-2021 02:44PM

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Actually think Joshua should thread carefully in the opening rounds against Wilder, he doesn't have the head/upper body movement to pour it on for 3 rounds without getting tagged with something big himself. Tactics he used against Usyk would actually be better ironically enough, get behind the jab, a limited Wilder would leave an opening sooner or later.

Joshua is vulnerable in attack mode against decent fighters. A shoot out with Wilder (who may even be chinny himself) is the last thing Joshua would need.

Generally speaking, Joshua is a fighter who seemingly is unable to put it all together in one go. He was boxing defensively the other night and when he does this his offence is poor. Likewise, when he lets his hands go he is vulnerable to walking onto something. He works to a plan in the gym and there is no deviation when things don't go his way.

I know myself, I was a boxer, I had fast hands and quick feet, but using them at same time was a stretch for me, when my hands were moving quickly my feet were planted, when my feet were moving quickly I was not thinking about my hands. It wasn't in-sync so to speak. Theres a bit of this with Joshua in that he is unable to put it all together, the ring IQ isn't there to adapt outside of what his coach tells him to do.

The best fighters size you up, adapt and become more effective, try different things naturally based on what they are seeing.

The optics the other night were so bad too, when the bell went he slumped in the corner looking visibly distressed. Yet in the press conference he opined that he didn't know the outcome, and was waiting for judges decision. There is a huge chasm between the things AJ spouts (his false confidence/optimism) and the reality, he looked a proper beaten man at the bell, the cringe factor when he speaks like some kind of life coach is ridiculous.

His team should tell him to drop the amateur philosopher bullsh*t quick smart, or he will become a parody. Albeit a very rich one.

walshb · 29-09-2021 02:47PM

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Yes, but I was more thinking that he would get clipped himself if he plays it too clever and tries to box....

I can see Wilder finding him without too much difficulty....so therefore I was thinking best to take out the puncher before he takes you out....and I would be fairly confident that AJ could find Wilder's chin, as well as confident that AJ has enough power to really dent/wobble/KO Wilder...a real shootout for me.....who lands clean first likely closes the show.

29-09-2021 03:14PM

AJ reminds me a lot of our very own McGregor. Both very talented and successful but also limited.

The Diaz and Ruiz avenged defeats are similar. Fighters realised that night how bad Conors gas tank and ground game were. Fighters realised after Ruiz that AJ has a glass chin and is mentally fragile.

Khabib and Usyk defeats are similar in that both were soundly beaten by a better man.

I fully expect the next phase of AJs career to pan out similar as well. I think he’ll struggle against Fury, Wilder or even Whyte.

Guess the moral of the story is that plan A can only get you so far. One day you’ll need plan B and C.

walshb · 29-09-2021 03:42PM

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If he struggles against Whyte, he needs to take up gardening or something.

Josephfromdowntheroad · 29-09-2021 03:45PM

AJ don't want that smoke anymore.

eagle eye · 29-09-2021 03:49PM

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It's quite possible that Usyk is the best out there. Unless somebody can stop him I find it hard to see them beating him.

McGregor was beaten by the best in Khabib and since then he's been beaten again, twice, by the best in Poirier.

Joshua was beaten by Ruiz, that was a really bad loss for him.

There isn't a heavyweight who isn't limited. Usyk and Furey don't have the ko power, Joshua and Wilder don't have the boxing skills or smarts.

You are way overrating Whyte, he is not in the same hemisphere as those four. There is nobody close to the top four at this moment. One of Yoka, Hrgovic and the Cuban Flash and Ajagbe who meet on the Furey/Wilder card might break through and become a serious contender.

loyatemu · 29-09-2021 03:57PM

It's quite possible that Usyk is the best out there. Unless somebody can stop him I find it hard to see them beating him.

Fury would surely be favourite against Usyk on the whole "good big guy beats a good small guy" maxim.

eagle eye · 29-09-2021 04:00PM

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Whose the better boxer? Whose willing to go toe to toe for 12 rounds with no time off?

We know Usyk doesn't really gas badly, will Furey?

iebamm2580 · 29-09-2021 04:22PM

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You are not a mod so stop behaving like one. Point to where i abused somebody like a good boy? Dont think Walshb took what i said as abuse, if he did, bless him.

walshb · 29-09-2021 04:30PM

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I didn't take it as abuse.....but it was kind of badgering. Anyway, let's move on.

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