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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,262 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We should 100% keep calling it freedom day, if only to annoy our politicians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    And supposedly the vaccine reduces your symptoms, and if you are symptomless you are very unlikely to spread it. The pro-vaccine lobby have been urging people to get vaccinated because you are less likely to spread it.


    If you are vaxed, have the virus, asymptomatic, you are very unlikely to spread it.

    If you are unvaxxed and you are asymptomatic, you are very unlikely to spread it.


    So what are the point in the masks anymore when you have no symptoms???

    They are nonsense. They have always been nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,902 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    When did symptoms stop antivaxxer antimaskers from roaming around ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I was watching The World Championships for Cycling in Belgium today. There were millions on the streets. The roadsides were packed. Fan zones, carnivals, beer tents, everything. Not a mask to be seen bar the finish line area where the riders do their interviews and so forth. Life has is normal again. 70% vaccinated.

    We still have to wait to another 4 weeks for most restrictions to be removed and have a tax raising budget in the meantime to keep morale low before energy shortages/price hikes for the winter. . All whilst the NPHET Government are still dishing out little threats and future restrictions.

    We are living in a cesspit of continuous misery. Meanwhile other countries are being normal again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,420 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    This complete nonsense again.

    Asymptomatic spreading is one of the big reasons why SARS-COV2 has been able to spread and infect as easily as it has.

    The vaccinated are much less likely to be infected and if they do get infected, clear the viral load faster symptomatic or not.

    Face masks reduce the opportunity for the virus to spread, it does not eliminate it, hence the social distancing and reduced crowds and increased ventilation that went along with it. if a country wasn't pursuing zero COVID (Ireland wasn't), then the point of restrictions such as distancing and mask wearing was to reduce the % chances of passing it on, which they do to decent levels vs. not wearing a mask or not distancing.

    We're coming to the end of this, but bloody hell some people still bang on about the same nonsense they went on about on day 1 of all this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It's such a shame Ireland was the only country in the world to lock down and will be the only country in the world who will need to adjust budgets to pay for it, that's what you believe eh? NPHET are not dishing out threats about future restrictions, it was a cleverly phrased question to the CMO, who couldn't rule it out.

    If you asked any CMO from any country, they would give the same answer. Like in the UK, where they can't rule out restrictions in the winter, but no, Ireland is all alone, you ignore that.

    You bring up Belgium, they are further ahead in reopening, have you ever asked yourself why? Do you expect every country to lockdown and reopen at the same time despite peaks and waves being weeks and months apart?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭Vaccinated30


    I was driving through Finglas and there is a big carnival there, no masks, crowds of people everywhere. I went in and no wiping down equipment and everyone was having a great time. Kids and teenagers just enjoying life. I looked up the name on Facebook and its been extended for 2 weeks due to popular demand.

    Far from the depressing tale you tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The masks on the plane thing is a bit of a weird one for me.

    You can't get on a plane unless you show that you've either been vaccinated, have a negative PCR test or proof that you've recovered from the virus.

    So wouldn't that therefore mean that every single person on the plane doesn't have the virus? Therefore the masks become redundant?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,278 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    No. A negative PCR test 72 hours before flying doesn't mean you're not infectious on the flight. Neither does proof of recovery.

    If these measures were sufficient to completely prevent lack of spread then Australia wouldn't have spend the last year or so battling quarantine breakthroughs.

    Whether it's proportionate or rational to require them at this point is a separate issue. I don't really see the logic from an epidemiological perspective, given the lack of restrictions "on the ground" in most places, although I wonder what the results would be if you polled the passengers - there might be more in favour of compulsory "masks" than against.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    And yet in Germany, the fans were wearing masks when viewing the berlin marathon. Every country is at a different stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭monkeyactive


    Friends , sorry to interrupt the flow here , but I have a question; So on October 22nd all restrictions most are likely to be lifted? At the moment only vaccinated people are allowed attend organized indoor sports classes. Can I assume that vaxxed and un vaxxed will officially be able to attend these types of indoor classes after October 22nd given the consent of the person organizing the class of course?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭Nyero


    Seriously. To say we are dragging the hole out of the reopening would be an understatement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    If the entire plane eats onboard then no masks are on :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian



    Yes, the plan is that after October 22nd the un-vaccinated will be able to avail of indoor activities that previously only the vaccinated could avail of



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian



    It's all about reducing the spread... If a PCR 3 days beforehand gives 90% protection from spreading it on a plane (guesswork, based on the travel restrictions forum here) and a vaccine is 70-90% efficacious (depending on the vaccine) then you could have about 1% to 3% of people still spreading it on the plane, wearing a mask will help to reduce the spread further again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,420 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'm shocked that people still don't understand the difference between eliminating a risk vs. reducing the chances of a risk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Do you need a mask going to the pub from oct 22 can you sit where you want ? Can you order from the bar ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Pure theatre, just like the no bottles of water on a plane, and taking off your shoes crap ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    somebody told me the sitting at the bar restriction was gone from last week? the pub i was in yesterday evening had the bar full the whole way around. you can definitley go up to the bar anyway the last 3 weeks every pub i was in you went up and ordered at the bar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,262 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Same and it's way more practical then fully table service. Some places struggling with staff which makes it difficult for them to try stay on track with all the orders



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Some businesses ditching the nonsensical rules that the majority of customers don't care about now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Went to the pub last week and the bartender couldn't have given less of a **** about the masks or distance nonsense.

    Walking around with no masks and sitting at the bar. Great time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Bloody work were on about us wearing masks when we go back to the office, and despite that, you still have to social distance 2ms. 2 masks a day as we have to switch after 4 hours or something stupid. Just getting ridiculous at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Someone told you wrong so.

    There's no changes officially until 22nd October for hospitality. If somewhere is doing their own thing that's on them and by that I mean they've decided to do it.

    Most places have put a table beside the bar and are using that, as silly as it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    If ye have to change masks during work then I hope they are providing masks. Is the social distancing not gone from 22nd October. I know my place are working on reinstating every second desk. Which wouldn’t make sense if 2m was being kept.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd




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