4 year olds able to change gender in Scotland

No. I wont. The LGB alliance has many links to extreme far right movements and its sole raison detre is about hate of trans people. Its not your role to tell me what I can and cant post. Leave that to the moderators.

I'm not being untruthful in any way here whatsoever but thanks anyway - you need to tell your GC mates to drop all the propaganda then. 😂

Yawn

I didn't say you called me anything, just that it's very telling that you resort to it.

I haven't called anyone a fascist.

I think you're confused.

So, Transsexual has now been redefined to be Transgender, as I have now learned.

Transgender is an 'umbrella' term, according to American web sites that define the definitions. So yeah, if one says they are non-binary they can say they are transgender, ditto with transsexuals, which are 2 completely different things.

Now things that didn't make any sense to me for so so long now make perfect scene.

Panti Bilss has 'transgender' people on phone. No he doesn't, he has transsexual people on his phone. Because he knows them from the gay scene because transsexuals have always lived on the gay scene, because transsexuals are homosexuals, not heterosexuals.

Transgender people are being murdered, esp in south America. No they aren't. Transsexual's are being murdered, because they often work in the sex industry. Not that that's an excuse to murder anyone.

Transgender people live in gay society, lgbt society. No they don't. Transsexuals live in gay society, and always have. That explains why I argued earlier that I never had any experience of transgender people on the gay scene and some disagreed. They meant transsexuals , not transgender people. Why would heterosexual transgender people loiter around on the gay scene, makes no sense whatsoever. They never did, it's transsexuals who do.

I often asked why there are virtually no transgender people on these thread's. But it was clear to me there are a lot of gay people endorsing 'trans' rights here. So so curious, but now I totally get it. Drag queens, transvestites, transsexuals, cross dressers, - all homosexual men, huh.

"People should be able to be who they want be". Right, now I get it. I knew they really meant that, but was always a bit of a head scratcher for me. Why don't they say people should be who they are, which they never say. So, if someone wants to live a psycho-sexual dual personality fantasy life in broad daylight, they should be able to do so, according to Stonewall. If a Drag Queen wishes to walk down the street, visit the supermarket, in drag, they should be accepted in society to do so. That's what all this is really about, isn't it.

So Stonewall think these transSEXual people are marginalized, mocked in movies, living in the shadows due to such widespread prejudice, are trying to change attitudes about these kinds of people. They can't be serious, but I'm now certain they are.

This whole subject has now taken a very serious turn for me as a result of the last few exchanges I have had here. It opens up a whole can of worms. How would you know the difference between a cross-dresser and a truly transgender person using female toilets? Stonewalls answer to that is 'people should be able to be who they want to be'.

Are we going to promote in schools the idea that 'people should be able to be who they want to be', even when 'who you want to be' is just a psyhco-sexual fantasy, such as Desmond the young drag queen 'performer'.

So, own up guys. Who here is a drag queen, a cross-dresser, a transsexual? I've always been honest about who I am and it's apparent to me now other posters aren't so revealing. You don't have to say of course but there's a point in asking that.

Oh and one more thing, LL mailed me 'transgender' slur terms. "Tra**y" is not a transgender slur term - it's a transsexual term. It's a sexual slur term that has noting to do with transgender. Neither is 'She-Male" which is also a transseuxal slur term. They aren't even slur terms anyway - they use those terms to describe themselves.

If any of the above is confusing to the uniformed, I'll just say I've said nothing disparaging about transgender people here, in fact I'm said nothing about truly transgender people at all.

I've always understood transsexual to mean the same as it's always meant (desire to change sex). Some people prefer this term, but most people talk about transgender these days. Or the desire to transition.

I've never understood transsexual to refer to a person's sexuality or be impacted by it. I know trans people who happily call themselves transsexual and some who don't.

I know some trans people that prefer women, some that prefer men, some that prefer both, one who is asexual and a few that have changed their preference as they have continued their transitions. It's almost like everyone is different, all of them valid.

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About saying nothing disparaging. I don't think you have deliberately said anything, although your terminology and understanding seems to differ from common understanding (I'm talking dictionary definitions here, historical and in the present day).

I'm not sure what you mean by 'truly' transgender tho. If you are serious about not being disparaging, then maybe you should elaborate on that.

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Your comment about trans slurs is nonsense. If people don't fit into neat little labels, bullies certainly don't. You think if someone is identify as trans, a bully is going to match the "correct" slur to the correct identity or what that person identifies.. come on now think about that logically for a minute..

A totalitarian regime..it's Scotland lol have you ever been there.. 😆

Seems most of the concern is legal tho Vs harm. Nice to try and shoehorn that in. More nonsense.

Defensive against what exactly? Based on your own quotes the concern seems legal Vs harm. That was added as opinion.

Same as you trying to shoehorn in some narrative about me being offended..!

Share the full source with the class, as it were, and have a proper look?

Sure.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19604640.teachers-fear-legal-action-transgender-pupil-advice/

I see, you were attempting to be misleading then, same as you’re doing now by selectively quoting what I said out of context as if that was the point I was making. Why didn’t you quote the whole sentence which was pointing out that the legal challenge you were referring to, failed?

The point you were making is that the SSTA might push back against the Scottish Government on the guidelines, and then you went on to suggest that they were probably right about their concerns, and you referred to a previous legal challenge without any mention of the outcome as though the SSTA would have a legitimate case were they to challenge the guidelines.

They wouldn’t, and they know it, and the “debate” is just optics, for show, by a small group of individuals within the SSTA by way of virtue signalling how “concerned” they are for teachers, parents and children by purposely misrepresenting what the guidelines are intended for.

Ahh peace my arse! I haven’t bothered with this discussion in a while because it’s obvious there are posters who aren’t interested in participating in an honest conversation.

Your post caught my attention because I thought you were being misled, and I was pointing out that whoever within the SSTA is making those claims are the individuals who are being dishonest, and the legal challenge which you were referring to (I figured you were recalling from memory), the outcome of that challenge was that it failed.

Engaging with the point which YOU brought up, would mean having to engage in an honest conversation, and I can completely understand now why you’d be reluctant to do so. It’s nothing to do with me personally.

"The first thing that a totalitarian regime tries to do is to get to the children, to distance them from the subversive, varied influences of their families, and indoctrinate them in their rulers’ view of the world.

Isn't that the whole point of a State education anyway?

I'll park that one there as it's going off-topic, but I will say I'm happy to 'be on my own' on this one.

Oh no, I'd love to continue that discussion, I just think it's off-topic to continue to discuss the difference between transsexual and transgender. I will bring that subject up in a thread of my own, though I'm not confident it would be entertained in the LGBT forum.

We can do the bullying thing though. So where were we? I said there is no such thing as transgender bullying. I said there are no transgender slur terms, and that the suggested transgender slur terms are not transgender slur terms, but something else. I hold I'm completely right about that, and you nor anyone else have made any argument's that contradict what I'm saying.

And to refresh your memory on what I said previously, I'm saying that the Scottish guidance is not about anti-bullying anyway, it's a tentative introduction of gender identity 'education', in the guise of assisting teaching staff how to deal with kids who identify as such, if they ever do at all in school.