Heavyweight Boxing

walshb · 22-09-2021 02:50PM

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These two key questions could well be what decides this fight: 1. Can Usyk take the power? 2: Can he avoid it (if not able for it)?

Problem I see that he could have is that he ends up doing a Parker on it, and spoiling to avoid the power, resulting in very little offence

Similar to his LW stablemate, Lomachenko when Lomachenko met Lopez. Spending large parts the fight not wanting to taste any power. In a shell, and losing rds

Cyrus · 22-09-2021 02:56PM

i am probably way off but i see it being cagey enough for say 4 rounds, Aj gets to him a little in 5 & 6 and its all over by 8 at the latest, knock out.

Blanco100 · 22-09-2021 03:45PM

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I just don't see this, I could be wrong. But I think alot of fans have Usyk down as just another overhyped Eastern European fighter who is really stepping up in class.

Also this talk of AJ coming in leaner helping his stamina, Usyk would be best advised to work every minute of every round to test this theory. Some guys just naturally have a poor gas tank, no matter what they weigh, how well they train. Some are built for speed and destruction, others are built for endurance, Usyk is definitely the latter.

I don't doubt AJ can go 12 rounds, but its usually at his own pace. The worry for AJ is that i'd imagine Usyk will feel him out for 3-4 rounds and then maybe start stepping on the gas, and by stepping on the gas I don't mean throwing the kitchen sink at him, I mean moving him around, having AJ chasing shadows trying to land something meaningful.

Usyk is an elite level fighter and I don't envisage AJ walking through him like some say he will, but Usyk is a slow starter, i'd be in AJs ear to get in there and catch him cold, I wonder if all this talk about slimming down and trying to box him is a bit of a ruse, and he will rush him from the bell.

walshb · 22-09-2021 03:54PM

What about the possibility that Usyk mugs AJ early? Goes out and right from start throws his best shots and lands clean......

AJs chin, or more his reaction to being clipped/hurt is a little bit vulnerable.......Similar to Khan....

Blanco100 · 22-09-2021 04:13PM

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Its possible, theres vulnerability with Joshua. But I don't think Usyk will take any risks, it could be potentially a bit of a stinker with Usyk doing his best to avoid AJ's shots, Not taking sufficient risks to land his offence.

Still a fascinating fight for me, love when the really good fighters (who had monopoly at natural weight) move up. That bit of anticipation "will they, won't they have enough in higher division".

This isn't a fight against Pulev, Parker, Martin or Breazeale though, Usyk will fancy his chances and is coming to win. He is a commodity in himself albeit the world and his dog wants AJ v Fury.

yourdeadwright · 22-09-2021 05:11PM

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Would you say Whyte is a harder hitter than AJ

I bet you say no but he stopped AVP in almost half the time AJ did, Why because age matters ,

35 year old AVP Wlad fought & 39 year-old AVP AJ fought where totally different animals

walshb · 22-09-2021 06:01PM

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AJ hits harder than Whyte from what I see. And a better overall puncher as well

Just blind picking an example of fighter A stopping fighter B quicker than another fighter did is not near the full picture.

It’s not just punch power. It’s delivery, power, mechanics, timing, combinations.

Simple: AJ has quite heavy hands. He packs a real forceful punch, plus, he is a very good overall puncher.

Povetkin was nailed very clean and heavy, and he was banjoed by the power. Going into his age etc is simply over-analysing things. He got hit real heavy by a heavy puncher, and we all seen the results.

AJ was the first man to KO Povetkin..

But I will say, by the time Whyte ko’d him, he was clearly shot to bits. He looked dreadful even walking to the ring that night. AJ probably would have taken that version out in 1 round

So AJ most definitely beat a better Povetkin.

squinn2912 · 22-09-2021 10:50PM

I’m just watching Chisora Usyk now and Usyk did some nice work but against such a plodder and he couldn’t dissuade him at all. Joshua is so much fitter, even bigger and stronger and a far superior boxer. I think Usyk might look decent for the first four rounds (and I’m saying that in hope) and then Joshua will take over - he might clock him with one big shot like Canelo with Kahn or he will trap him and bully him. Either way I think KO 7-9.

Not sure about who hits the harder between Whyte and Joshua I’d say it’s pretty even.

yourdeadwright · 23-09-2021 10:17AM

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Just like Wlad beat a better Povetkin than AJ

yourdeadwright · 23-09-2021 10:18AM

Right going to nail my colours to the mast

AJ KO in the 5th ,

Hope Usyk wins but can't see him beating the bigger man ,

walshb · 23-09-2021 10:24AM

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Yes, he beat a more prime version

Doesn't change the fact that AP was one tough man when AJ knocked him out....first man to do so.

I frimly believe that AJ knocks out AP from a few years prior to their actual meeting as well. The shots he connected with were very heavy.

AP took some, and then folded from the follow up power.

Anyway, it all coms back to AJ being overrated as a puncher. He is not overrated. He is a puncher, and a heavy one.

Blanco100 · 23-09-2021 10:50AM

I'm nailing my colours to the mast. I think Usyk KO's AJ, accumulation of punches more than a cold KO, I think both guys will maybe hit the canvass, AJ a couple of times. Round 9-10 finish.

23-09-2021 12:01PM

A very boring points win for AJ is my prediction. Usyk will move well and have good stamina so it will be difficult for AJ to connect clean but Uysk won’t have anything to offer coming forward.

yourdeadwright · 23-09-2021 12:52PM

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A bit like the Parker fight so , he came in with some bravado felt a few hard shots & was happy to stay on the outside & go the distance , Aj was happy to take no chances and just win it wit hhis jab ,

It'll be very interesting what Usyk does if AJ manages to keep him at the end of a long jab will he be happy to lose but go 12 or will he be willing to risk getting ko'd to have a proper go ,

23-09-2021 01:25PM

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Could definitely get interesting towards the end if Usyk really goes for it as he'll probably have more energy left at that point. But I think he'd have to be clearly behind on the cards to throw caution to the wind.

Butson · 23-09-2021 01:55PM

Stuck a few quid on the draw.

AJ to dominate the first half, Usyk to take over in the second half.

Usyk won't get a decision in London, so a draw might be a possibility.

Either way, really looking forward to this. A proper pay per view fight.

walshb · 23-09-2021 02:08PM

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This seems to be the best bet!

walshb · 23-09-2021 03:31PM

I see that they had their first official face off today. You can see the 2-3 inches height difference

One thing about Usyk is how utterly relaxed and calm he always is. Really assured and confident, and not in a cocky way

I normally don't think too much into these things, but I think his confidence and assuredness is a real positive for him for this fight,

yourdeadwright · 23-09-2021 03:52PM

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He is a very stoic bloke , very hard to read,

I think he is sort who knows the outcome of the fight has already be decided in the work they have put in & its just a matter of waiting to find out what that is,

Blanco100 · 23-09-2021 04:18PM

I think Walshb hit nail on head. There is a natural confidence with Usyk that is hard to fake.

Comes from being in control and having rarely faced defeat even in the amateurs. He faced the UK media before in his scrap with Bellew so although it's a bigger occasion, its not all that new to him.

You can see he clearly has confidence he is going to win, and that's not the case with a lot of away fighters.

yourdeadwright · 23-09-2021 05:43PM

Just me or does it sound like AJ has a cold

Cyrus · 23-09-2021 05:59PM

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He often sounds nasally

walshb · 23-09-2021 08:16PM

Fury is some fooking flute..never far from the surface

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/658221/tyson-fury-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-anthony-joshua/

squinn2912 · 23-09-2021 09:32PM

Just got caught up on the face off. Usyk is so impressive I think he’s hilarious the facial expressions he makes and the eyes going nuts, a real cool character. He doesn’t look too worried about Joshua but he’d need to improve an awful lot on the Chisora showing for Joshua not to win. I’m convinced of this one and I’m thinking his excellent movement will count for something but only to keep him in there longer. I’ve said R7-9 but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s even earlier. It’s rare enough that a smaller fighter will move up weights and beat a good champion and rarer still the heavier you go. Jones Jr and Haye came up and fought very poor belt holders, Holyfield did do fantastically well. I’m not sure if Usyk is as strong as Holyfield was - I’m not gonna say as good - so I don’t see him doing as well. I’m really looking forward to seeing it unfold and praying I’m wrong but I can’t make a case for Usyk at all.

yourdeadwright · 23-09-2021 10:04PM

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To be fair that interview was last year

walshb · 24-09-2021 08:19AM

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Ok..

No idea why it being last year matters too much…

walshb · 24-09-2021 08:27AM

squinn

No disrespect to Usyk, but he’s nowhere near the fighter a prime Holyfield was..

yourdeadwright · 24-09-2021 10:37AM

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It was before he got any publicity things could change because of his exposure with this AJ fight ,

The interview was during lockdown when Usyk really didn't have nay real buzz around him, the fight between Usyk & Aj wasn't even made at the time , the question was a "what if"

Things change quickly in boxing as we all know ,

yourdeadwright · 24-09-2021 10:42AM

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That a good question who was better , i reckon Usyk was as good a cruiser weight as Evander was but with different styles of course,

Evander looked to have huge help in his switch for cruiser to heavyweight if you know what i mean ,

walshb · 24-09-2021 11:07AM

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Evander was far smoother and a far better overall puncher, combinations, jab, inside work, mid range etc....A joy to watch when throwing shots

Plus, he met far superior talent at HW. Usyk has met two nobodies in Chisora and Whiterspoon. This is his first test vs AJ

I'd also back Evander to KO AJ prime vs. prime. He has far too much...

Evander v Usyk at any weight when at their best....Holyfield 10/10 times....

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