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Irish Times Sept 21st - Opinion Piece

  • 21-09-2021 4:07pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭


    Interesting article on murder-suicide in today’s issue of the Irish Times.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/three-things-we-can-do-to-get-serious-about-tackling-murder-suicides-1.4679091

    No proof or evidence is given for the statistics used in the piece or where these statistics were obtained.

    This is a direct quote from the said article.

    When we look, for example, to the US, we often attribute murder-suicides to the widespread availability of guns. And this is a second concern for us. There is widespread access to firearms in Ireland. Having means to execute violence is central to whether any murderous plan is enacted. It is currently estimated that seven per 100 people in Ireland have access to a gun. Seven in 100 people have access to the most lethal of means in their own homes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Same ol blather of the outdated and incorrect gunpolicy.org figures of 2008 or thereabouts and from "De examiner" articles last week. Lazy journalism there Orla.With the usual "look at America" bias. all dressed up in an article about "violence against wimmin!"

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭judestynes


    Yet again, everyone focusing on "how?" while ignoring "why?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭garrettod


    It could be interesting to ask her where her stats came from?

    7% equates to approx 350,000 based on today's population of 5m.

    I wonder if she knows that there aren't that many firearms licenced in Ireland?

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Its an old number from 2008, completely made up, from Gunpolicy. We have tried, in vain, to dismiss this nonsense of a number. It was arrived at by calculating the total number of registered gun owners in Ireland and the gunpolicy used an algorithim to calculate the estimated number of illegal guns and then added the two together to come up with that bastardisation.

    Its used because it makes for better headlines than the actual number of 3%. The reason for our dismissive attitude [towards that number] is they claim there are over 155,000 illegal guns in Ireland. This number comes from the algorithim mentioned above that is used in other countries such as America, etc. and simply not functional in Ireland where the gun laws are so, SO, much stircter and tightly controlled. Its akin to saying Ireland has 530 shooting deaths a year simply because of the average gun deaths in America, adjusted for population size when in fact we don't have even 5% of that (average over ten years from 2005 to 2015 based on CSO figures which are unreliable at best, by their own admission).

    Same with Wikipedia. You look at any "gun" or "murder" article by country and the ownership rate for Ireland is always given as between 7 to 8% which is 2.3 to 2.6 times higher than it really is. Its another case of legla gun owners being lumped in with criminality. Same with any recent legislation, we're always "thrown into" some Criminal justice act instead of a stand alone firearms act such as the original 1925 act. Its a little insulting to be honest.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,452 ✭✭✭garrettod


    It's very insulting, if you ask me!

    Thanks,

    G.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    There's a similar article on the independent website, I started a new thread about it. Perhaps it should be amalgamated with this thread? Apologies, didn't see this existing thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    You're being too nice if anything. There's no journalism in the piece whatever, it's "oh won't somebody please think of the childer" hysteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭JP22


    Unfortunately paper takes ink too easily plus today lots of people believe anything that’s published especially if its in national broad-sheets

    It seems modern journalists are certainly not as diligent or accurate as their predecessors of old.



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