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ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭cafflingwunts


    Superpowers have bombed camps full of enemy combatants before, including the ones with children still there. What's the difference?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No but her abetting war crimes, genocide and industrial level sex slavery was committed in Syria and Iraq.


    Can't she be given to Assad for trial.


    Give her to the Shi'a in Iraq.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The sun, food and exercise is suiting her. She looked great.


    Definitely would apart from the missues disapproval and Shamina cutting the throats of us all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    ask the super powers that question.

    i am sure we would all love to know the answer.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    none of them want her, i have explained this a ridiculous amount of times such that i sound like a broken record.

    they. don't. want. her. and. any. other. foreign. terrorist.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Assad should be told that taking them and applying justices is the price of his Syria being left in to international circles again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    no, he shouldn't, and any attempt to do it should be given the contempt it deserves with assad opening the doors and sending the lot out of his country.

    any country has a right to not be lumbered with foreign criminals because the country they belong to think they are too important to deal with them or because their government want to try and appeal to people who if given the chance would be just as dangerous.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But Assad controls very little of the country ,if hizbolla and Iran withdrew their forces tomorrow Assad would control even less because its foreign forces holding ground he cannot



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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,484 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    OK, let's drop all this "exterminate them" talk



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 13,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Please keep this head case - very dangerous one at that - out of the UK and out of Europe.

    Begum is a traitor - traitors are often shot or imprisoned for a very long time in the countries they betray.

    Shamima Begum is a living, breathing example of why Islam is completely incompatible with modern Western values.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    keeping her out of the uk or even europe isn't going to be possible long term, she will be returning at her own hands or when the european court or an international court makes the ruling that the removal of her citizenship is illegal, which it is highly likely that it is given she was born in the uk, and has no other, nor any chance of gaining any other, citizenship, and international law states that it is illegal to make someone stateless.

    forget about treason/trators etc, that stuff belongs in children's books and has been made redundant in the modern era.

    islam is no more incompatible with western values then any other religion, the vast majority of muslims and those of other religions are perfectly fine.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet some people are crying for her to be sent back to the UK ,to enjoy her British freedom ,

    Making out she's a victim here 😂



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does the UK recognise the ECHR any more? I thought that escaping ECHR jurisdiction was one of the Brexiteer arguments for leaving the EU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I wouldn't be at surprised if someone on here doesn't suggest we take her in



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Surprised at your intolerance. Islam is the same As any other religion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Most other religions have moved with the times and live in the modern world ,

    Islam especially in the middle East is still stuck in the dark ages



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Religions don't move with the time. People do.

    Plenty of Muslims live a modern.lifestyle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yes, because we believe that countries need to take responsibility for their citizens, good, bad, and all else, that they should not be allowed to try and force other countries who have nothing to do with individuals to take them on.

    as well as that, she may have potentially been a victim of child grooming, which, doesn't just get to be dismissed or go away because of her actions as an adult now.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it was one of their arguments yes, but of course as they know, the ECHR is separate to the EU and is a different entity, so they were deliberately lieing.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    very unlikely, i would and should think, given she is nothing to do with us.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Taking her back is fine but one would want to be certain that she'd never leave jail till her dying day.


    Outside of her countless thousands of people who fought and worked for the Islamic State have returned to Europe.


    People whose only equals were in the killing Fields of Cambodia or SS camp guards.


    Legislation on a European level to detain such hostile combatants is needed.

    She is thankfully not legally allowed in to Britain, as she is no longer a citizen. Dutch and Bangladeshi citizenship remain options for her to appeal to.


    If people want to remove her as a burden on places like Kurdistan etc then they need to campaign for laws to ensure people like her and Lisa Smith etc face lifetime sentences on return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    dutch or bangladeshi are not citizenship options for her, as she was not born in either country and the links to those countries are irrelevant, meaning those countries will thankfully not be cleaning up britain's dirty work as they will not be, nor have any obligation to give her anything, and syria is going to eventually throw these people out.

    also, if it is the case that leaving someone stateless is illegal, which most certainly she is stateless, then technically she is likely to be able to perfectly legally return to the uk whether she can in the uk's eyes or not, since international law on such matters will have to trump the uk.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 13,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Nope - it’s not intolerance, it is pragmatism.

    As a gay man, I am more aware of how minorities are treated in many countries (usually very badly) and my tolerance of immigrants of different cultures living in my own country will not extend to those who would wish me dead and for our fundamental way of life to revert to the dark ages.

    Islam is NOT like most other religions, that much is very clear. Experience has taught me that Islam is not compatible with Western values.

    I simply cannot fathom those who would wish to tolerate, welcome and humour those who would rather destroy them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,581 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it's not pragmatism at all, just bigotry.

    islam's beliefs are no different to any other religion, and most religions have people who want to bring us back to living in the dark ages, however they are generally a minority.

    because people should not be discriminated against because of the religion they believe in, if they have extreme beliefs, then by all means the authorities should and must deal with those individuals.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And yet I lived in a Muslim country for 18 months. Not one person I knew there wished gay people dead. In fact, I met gay Muslim people And attended pride parades.

    Islam is the same as Christianity. Is being gay not a sin for Roman Catholics? There are plenty of older Catholics in this.country that are intolerant of gays.

    I don't welcome people who wish to destroy me. Neither do I presume that 1.8 billion Muslims are extremists.

    I tend to take people as just that, individual people, regardless of ethnicity or religion or any other backgrounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No point repeatedly posting the same old other countries need to do this and that ,

    Countries have options but apparently snowflakes cry and get upset with that ,

    Like the idea of were finally getting rid of an Algerian terrorist who's been living here for the last 20 odd years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Any one born after 1951 to a Bangladeshi mother or father has Bangladeshi citizenship, under Bangladeshi law. They don't allow dual citizenship to people over 21.


    She can apply for Dutch citizenship as her husband was Dutch. She should do that before her 21at birthday or risk her current citizenship.


    Her case ultimately shows the need for a new legal framework for these types of situations, they will only become more common.


    If she was jailed for life who would object to her return.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Quite a few people in Britain who support her described her as a young woman caught up in the fight against Zionist control etc etc.


    There are a lot of complex motivations in those who support her right to return.



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