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ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

  • 26-02-2021 4:45pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 26,407 ✭✭✭✭ Eric Cartman


    whatever about their management of other scenarios, the UK got this one spot on.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56209007

    we should learn from them and never have allowed Lisa Smyth to return here.

    Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    "the right to a fair hearing did "not trump all other considerations, such as the safety of the public".

    Interesting


  • Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭ Esho


    She fought against her country and wants to go back?
    As if nothing happened?

    This is treason. There are responsibilities that come with your rights.

    Good to see that having a strict religion is not an antidote to being an entitled millennial.

    Lisa Smyth is Irish and didn't take up arms against the State through.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭ brainboru1104


    Good. As far as I'm concerned she's exactly where she intended to be.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭ OneEightSeven


    Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.
    Islam has no place in Europe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭ Random Account


    Fair play to the brits. Hope she rots in that ****hole. Imagine us letting Lisa Smith back in. Shambles


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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    I'm glad it worked out like it did. Unlike some other countries UK and Denmark are sending out a strong message that if you leave the country to join such a horrendous terror sect you are not welcome back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,407 ✭✭✭✭ Eric Cartman


    biko wrote: »
    I'm glad it worked out like it did. Unlike some other countries UK and Denmark are sending out a strong message that if you join a leave the country to such a horrendous terror sect you are not welcome back.

    Who knew common sense still existed in Europe


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,943 ✭✭✭✭ osarusan


    No sympathy for her at all, but this argument:
    Lord Reed added the Court of Appeal had "mistakenly believed that, when an individual's right to have a fair hearing... came into conflict with the requirements of national security, her right to a fair hearing must prevail."

    He said the right to a fair hearing did "not trump all other considerations, such as the safety of the public".

    is a fairly sinister statement when you think about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭ kildare lad


    I'm sure roderic o gorman will give her a nice house and money if she decides to live here


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,686 ✭✭✭✭ punisher5112


    The UK rarely gets it right but that lunatic is best kept out and as far away from the hard working decent citizens.

    Probably end up here like many others though.


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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 62,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Beasty


    Just to be clear

    She is not allowed into the UK to attend her appeal against the removal of her UK citizenship

    That appeal will progress, possibly with her attending via video link, and if she wins it there may be a new debate over whether a UK citizen can be denied entry into the country


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭ jam_mac_jam


    On one hand I don't like the idea of stripping her of her citizenship and she should face trial and imprisonment for what she did.

    On the other hand I don't care. She is a disgusting human being.

    The women who went over to be ISIS wives are so disgusting. Imagine going into another country and getting involved in an organisation that keeps women as sex slaves. A woman who grew up in a western country

    They absolutely disgust me. Same as the Irish one. They can come back then and say they didn't fight. They are worse in some ways then the men who did. Oh poor me I'm just a girl. Not a fighter.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Brits on a roll.

    Covid vaccines - bam*

    Shamima Begum- whack*

    Imagine Ben Gilroy hurley noises


  • Registered Users Posts: 401 ✭✭ E mac


    On one hand I don't like the idea of stripping her of her citizenship and she should face trial and imprisonment for what she did.

    On the other hand I don't care. She is a disgusting human being.

    The women who went over to be ISIS wives are so disgusting. Imagine going into another country and getting involved in an organisation that keeps women as sex slaves. A woman who grew up in a western country

    They absolutely disgust me. Same as the Irish one. They can come back then and say they didn't fight. They are worse in some ways then the men who did. Oh poor me I'm just a girl. Not a fighter.

    Yup agree Germans did the same post WW2 'funnily enough' every one interviewed about working at a concentration camp was a low level didn't have a clue what was going on employee..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭ theguzman


    Brits on a roll.

    Covid vaccines - bam*

    Shamima Begum- whack*

    Imagine Ben Gilroy hurley noises

    A Brexit Bonus if you will, even if Ireland decided to do similar to Lisa Smith etc. then the EU Court of Human Rights would just overrule any similar scenario here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭ brainboru1104


    E mac wrote: »
    Yup agree Germans did the same post WW2 'funnily enough' every one interviewed about working at a concentration camp was a low level didn't have a clue what was going on employee..

    Convenient!


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭ Odhinn


    whatever about their management of other scenarios, the UK got this one spot on.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56209007

    we should learn from them and never have allowed Lisa Smyth to return here.

    Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.




    A rather harsh view, given that she was but 15 years when she went off.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭ Rodin


    The Brits were right to get independence from the European courts.

    Meanwhile in Irish courts today, despite a judge admitting to having the power to give a life sentence, a judge gave less to a man convicted of raping a 6 month old. He even suspended part of the sentence. I have no words....


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭ jam_mac_jam


    Odhinn wrote: »
    A rather harsh view, given that she was but 15 years when she went off.

    I'm sure the girls that were taken as slaves by ISIS were all over age.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭ Rodney Bathgate




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭ Odhinn


    I'm sure the girls that were taken as slaves by ISIS were all over age.




    So you think a 15 year old should suffer the same consequences as an adult?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭ Rodney Bathgate


    There’s always (at least) one to defend the indefensible. Never change.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    Beasty wrote: »
    Just to be clear

    She is not allowed into the UK to attend her appeal against the removal of her UK citizenship

    That appeal will progress, possibly with her attending via video link, and if she wins it there may be a new debate over whether a UK citizen can be denied entry into the country

    Is this definitely the case? Because i watched the 6pm bbc news earlier and when this story came on there was some woman from some advocate organisation saying something along the lines of " we won't hear her story now, we won't know if she was groomed etc" but if she can attend via video link, or even via a lawyer, the court will hear all the circumstances...


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,375 ✭✭✭ Be right back


    What happened to the girls she travelled there with?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,357 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

    She went to join occupied land. That land has since been reclaimed.

    She is of no responsibility to Syria or anyone else and should be returned to Britain.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭ Rodney Bathgate


    Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

    She went to join occupied land. That land has since been reclaimed. She is of no responsibility to Syria or anyone else and should be returned to Britain.

    Bangladesh can take this piece of human garbage.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

    She went to join occupied land. That land has since been reclaimed. She is of no responsibility to Syria or anyone else and should be returned to Britain.

    Thats a little simplistic to be fair, if she went to join a white supremacist group would you think the same? She joined a group whose cruelty and murderousness was on a scale rarely seen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,375 ✭✭✭ Be right back


    Bangladesh can take this piece of human garbage.

    I don't think they want her either.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭ trashcan


    whatever about their management of other scenarios, the UK got this one spot on.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56209007

    we should learn from them and never have allowed Lisa Smyth to return here.

    Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.

    She can’t be compared to Lisa Smyth legally. There is no legal means by which Lisa Smyth can have her citizenship removed. Not defending her in any way, but that’s just the fact of the matter. The only citizenship that can be revoked under our laws is that gained through naturalisation. Therefore as an Irish citizen she can’t be refused entry into the country, no matter what she’s done.


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