ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

Eric Cartman

whatever about their management of other scenarios, the UK got this one spot on.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56209007

we should learn from them and never have allowed Lisa Smyth to return here.

Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.

suicide_circus

"the right to a fair hearing did "not trump all other considerations, such as the safety of the public".

Interesting

Esho

She fought against her country and wants to go back?
As if nothing happened?

This is treason. There are responsibilities that come with your rights.

Good to see that having a strict religion is not an antidote to being an entitled millennial.

Lisa Smyth is Irish and didn't take up arms against the State through.

Good. As far as I'm concerned she's exactly where she intended to be.

Random Account

Fair play to the brits. Hope she rots in that ****hole. Imagine us letting Lisa Smith back in. Shambles

biko

I'm glad it worked out like it did. Unlike some other countries UK and Denmark are sending out a strong message that if you leave the country to join such a horrendous terror sect you are not welcome back.

Eric Cartman

biko wrote: »

I'm glad it worked out like it did. Unlike some other countries UK and Denmark are sending out a strong message that if you join a leave the country to such a horrendous terror sect you are not welcome back.

Who knew common sense still existed in Europe

osarusan

No sympathy for her at all, but this argument:

Lord Reed added the Court of Appeal had "mistakenly believed that, when an individual's right to have a fair hearing... came into conflict with the requirements of national security, her right to a fair hearing must prevail."

He said the right to a fair hearing did "not trump all other considerations, such as the safety of the public".

is a fairly sinister statement when you think about it.

kildare lad

I'm sure roderic o gorman will give her a nice house and money if she decides to live here

punisher5112

The UK rarely gets it right but that lunatic is best kept out and as far away from the hard working decent citizens.

Probably end up here like many others though.

Beasty

Just to be clear

She is not allowed into the UK to attend her appeal against the removal of her UK citizenship

That appeal will progress, possibly with her attending via video link, and if she wins it there may be a new debate over whether a UK citizen can be denied entry into the country

jam_mac_jam

On one hand I don't like the idea of stripping her of her citizenship and she should face trial and imprisonment for what she did.

On the other hand I don't care. She is a disgusting human being.

The women who went over to be ISIS wives are so disgusting. Imagine going into another country and getting involved in an organisation that keeps women as sex slaves. A woman who grew up in a western country

They absolutely disgust me. Same as the Irish one. They can come back then and say they didn't fight. They are worse in some ways then the men who did. Oh poor me I'm just a girl. Not a fighter.

Brits on a roll.

Covid vaccines - bam*

Shamima Begum- whack*

Imagine Ben Gilroy hurley noises

E mac

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

On one hand I don't like the idea of stripping her of her citizenship and she should face trial and imprisonment for what she did.

On the other hand I don't care. She is a disgusting human being.

The women who went over to be ISIS wives are so disgusting. Imagine going into another country and getting involved in an organisation that keeps women as sex slaves. A woman who grew up in a western country

They absolutely disgust me. Same as the Irish one. They can come back then and say they didn't fight. They are worse in some ways then the men who did. Oh poor me I'm just a girl. Not a fighter.

Yup agree Germans did the same post WW2 'funnily enough' every one interviewed about working at a concentration camp was a low level didn't have a clue what was going on employee..

theguzman

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Brits on a roll.

Covid vaccines - bam*

Shamima Begum- whack*

Imagine Ben Gilroy hurley noises

A Brexit Bonus if you will, even if Ireland decided to do similar to Lisa Smith etc. then the EU Court of Human Rights would just overrule any similar scenario here.

E mac

E mac wrote: »

Yup agree Germans did the same post WW2 'funnily enough' every one interviewed about working at a concentration camp was a low level didn't have a clue what was going on employee..

Convenient!

biko

https://twitter.com/realShamima/status/1365242349350174722?s=19

Odhinn

Eric Cartman wrote: »

whatever about their management of other scenarios, the UK got this one spot on.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56209007

we should learn from them and never have allowed Lisa Smyth to return here.

Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.

A rather harsh view, given that she was but 15 years when she went off.

Rodin

The Brits were right to get independence from the European courts.

Meanwhile in Irish courts today, despite a judge admitting to having the power to give a life sentence, a judge gave less to a man convicted of raping a 6 month old. He even suspended part of the sentence. I have no words....

jam_mac_jam

Odhinn wrote: »

A rather harsh view, given that she was but 15 years when she went off.

I'm sure the girls that were taken as slaves by ISIS were all over age.

Rodney Bathgate

biko wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realShamima/status/1365242349350174722?s=19

Piece of ****.

Odhinn

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I'm sure the girls that were taken as slaves by ISIS were all over age.

So you think a 15 year old should suffer the same consequences as an adult?

Rodney Bathgate

There’s always (at least) one to defend the indefensible. Never change.

suicide_circus

Beasty wrote: »

Just to be clear

She is not allowed into the UK to attend her appeal against the removal of her UK citizenship

That appeal will progress, possibly with her attending via video link, and if she wins it there may be a new debate over whether a UK citizen can be denied entry into the country

Is this definitely the case? Because i watched the 6pm bbc news earlier and when this story came on there was some woman from some advocate organisation saying something along the lines of " we won't hear her story now, we won't know if she was groomed etc" but if she can attend via video link, or even via a lawyer, the court will hear all the circumstances...

Be right back

What happened to the girls she travelled there with?

Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

She went to join occupied land. That land has since been reclaimed.

She is of no responsibility to Syria or anyone else and should be returned to Britain.

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

She went to join occupied land. That land has since been reclaimed. She is of no responsibility to Syria or anyone else and should be returned to Britain.

Bangladesh can take this piece of human garbage.

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

She went to join occupied land. That land has since been reclaimed. She is of no responsibility to Syria or anyone else and should be returned to Britain.

Thats a little simplistic to be fair, if she went to join a white supremacist group would you think the same? She joined a group whose cruelty and murderousness was on a scale rarely seen.

Be right back

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Bangladesh can take this piece of human garbage.

I don't think they want her either.

trashcan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

whatever about their management of other scenarios, the UK got this one spot on.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56209007

we should learn from them and never have allowed Lisa Smyth to return here.

Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.

She can’t be compared to Lisa Smyth legally. There is no legal means by which Lisa Smyth can have her citizenship removed. Not defending her in any way, but that’s just the fact of the matter. The only citizenship that can be revoked under our laws is that gained through naturalisation. Therefore as an Irish citizen she can’t be refused entry into the country, no matter what she’s done.

Gatling

I'm only suprised she hasn't being taken out along with anyone else who decides to join a terror group ,
If they can't be removed leave them in a desert and let nature take its course

Rodney Bathgate

Be right back wrote: »

I don't think they want her either.

Stick her in a deep hole then.

Rodney Bathgate

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Bangladesh can take this piece of human garbage.

Why should Bangladesh take her?

She has never been there nor ever had a Bangladeshi passport.

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why should Bangladesh take her?

She has never been there nor ever had a Bangladeshi passport.

Why should the UK take her back?

washman3

E mac wrote: »

Yup agree Germans did the same post WW2 'funnily enough' every one interviewed about working at a concentration camp was a low level didn't have a clue what was going on employee..

Worth remembering that this line/excuse was totally disregarded at the Nuremberg trials, and rightly so.
Each and every one of them knew exactly what they were doing.:mad:

Odhinn

Be right back wrote: »

What happened to the girls she travelled there with?

One of them is Dead, afaik.

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

Her British citizenship had been revoked. She is not a British citizen.

Rodney Bathgate

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Why should the UK take her back?

Because she is a British citizen and that is where she grew up.

She is of no responsibility to any other country.

It is illegal for British citizens to be made stateless, ergo she has to go back to Britain.


This is tremendously simple stuff. The law is in no way iffy on this.

Rodney Bathgate

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Her British citizenship had been revoked. She is not a British citizen.

Not possible.

It is illegal for Britain to make a citizen stateless.

theguzman

As a British Citizen she has the right to live and reside in Ireland, I wonder if she has tried our own shower of muppets, I'm sure they would send the Govt jet for her, mutter something about inclusivity and the Good Friday Agreement etc.

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not possible.

It is illegal for Britain to make a citizen stateless.

Keep telling yourself that.

osarusan

Beasty wrote: »

That appeal will progress, possibly with her attending via video link, and if she wins it there may be a new debate over whether a UK citizen can be denied entry into the country

I don't think it is the case that the appeal will progress.


She is entitled to take a full part in her own defence, but not to the point where it causes safety concerns, so the most likely outcome is that her appeal against the order removing her citizenship will be paused until it is possible for her to play a full role in her own defence without causing safety issues...which may be never.


From the judgement:

The appropriate response to the problem in the present case is for the appeal to be stayed until Ms Begum is in a position to play an effective part in it without the safety of the public being compromised. That is not a perfect solution, as it is not known how long it may be before that is possible.

washman3

washman3 wrote: »

Worth remembering that this line/excuse was totally disregarded at the Nuremberg trials, and rightly so.
Each and every one of them knew exactly what they were doing.:mad:

Well that's exactly how the US treated them.

suicide_circus

theguzman wrote: »

As a British Citizen she has the right to live and reside in Ireland, I wonder if she has tried our own shower of muppets, I'm sure they would send the Govt jet for her, mutter something about inclusivity and the Good Friday Agreement etc.

Oh i'd say she'd be welcomed with open arms

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shamima Begum is a British citizen.

Was.

Rodney Bathgate

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Keep telling yourself that.

You're the one thinking with your arse.

You've offered nothing to the thread other than hysterical flatulence.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Was.

Wrong.

She’s only 21 and already buried 3 children. Beggars belief.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wow, that was easy.

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

whatever about their management of other scenarios, the UK got this one spot on.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56209007

we should learn from them and never have allowed Lisa Smyth to return here.

Islamic terrorism has no place in europe.

nope their management of it was a complete failure that only delays the inevitable, as in her eventual return to britain, which will happen in the end whether britain wants it or not.
lets be honest, it was politically motivated nonsense by a home secretry who was trying to appeal to people who don't even recognise him as british because of the color of his skin.
lisa smith would have been returning here anyway eventually, it was better it be at our own hands then her either being deported or even worse escaping the camps and getting in here and us not detecting her.
islamic terrorism has no place anywhere the same as any other sort of terrorism.

biko wrote: »

I'm glad it worked out like it did. Unlike some other countries UK and Denmark are sending out a strong message that if you leave the country to join such a horrendous terror sect you are not welcome back.

they may think they are sending out such a message but they aren't.
the only message they are sending out is that they will dump their citizens on other countries when it is politically expedient to do so, and even if that may breach international law they won't and don't care.

punisher5112 wrote: »

The UK rarely gets it right but that lunatic is best kept out and as far away from the hard working decent citizens.

Probably end up here like many others though.

why should the civilians of syria have to put up with her and other foreign fighters?
she can be kept away from the decent hard working people of britain by, you know, being locked up there.
if she does end up here then the irish government should absolutely deport her to britain with imediot effect.

theguzman wrote: »

A Brexit Bonus if you will, even if Ireland decided to do similar to Lisa Smith etc. then the EU Court of Human Rights would just overrule any similar scenario here.

and quite rightly so.
because 2 can play that game, and if we wanted to deport a citizen of another country back there who had irish citizenship or had even the ability to gain it, theoretically that country could strip them of their citizenship so they wouldn't have to take them back.
that's a situation which cannot be allowed at any cost and i'm sure britain will find this out.

CtevenSrowder

Odhinn wrote: »

A rather harsh view, given that she was but 15 years when she went off.

She was 15 when she traveled halfway across the World to join an international terrorist organization, that was well documented as to being committing atrocities at the time. This wasn't some silly teenage mistake.

You make it sound like she drank a naggin to quick and got sick on her parents carpet.