ISI Fighter Shamima Begum Not allowed to return to the UK

end of the road · 28-02-2021 11:11pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

https://www.ejiltalk.org/shamima-begum-may-be-a-bangladeshi-citizen-after-all/

“Therefore, as of February 2019, Ms Begum is legally a Bangladeshi citizen. Consequently, the decision of the Home Office to deprive her of her British citizenship does not legally render her stateless. Hence, the measure is not unlawful insofar as the issue of statelessness is concerned. Although, it may very well be unlawful on other grounds, whether under British law or even international law.”

Not as cut and dry as you are pretending lads. Anyway, we’ll see how it pans out.

it is clear cut, as a british court/tribunal ruling that someone is a citizen of another country only carries weight in britain under british law.
as bangladesh say she is not a citizen of theirs, then in the real world she is not a bangladeshi citizen, and any ruling by a british court is in international terms irrelevant because ultimately britain cannot tell bangladesh who is and isn't a citizen of their country.

end of the road · 28-02-2021 11:13pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

End of the road is on your side of the discussion. It isn’t fair to mock him. Even if he does deserve it.

this post makes no sense, the other poster was talking about erric.
erric is a different poster to me.
whatever you were trying to achieve, it has been an epic fail.
ah well, better luck next time.

28-02-2021 11:14pm

end of the road wrote: »

this post makes no sense, the other poster was talking about erric.
erric is a different poster to me.
whatever you were trying to achieve, it has been an epic fail.
ah well, better luck next time.

Poor Rodney can't even get insults right.

Eric Cartman · 28-02-2021 11:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

At least Eric Cartman had the good grace to know he was out of his depth and gracefully retreated from the discussion.

He's sticking to 'thanking'.

im not out of anything, just little is being added to the pantomime of 2 posters screaming 'she's a brit, let her back into Britain, brit brit brit'

Rodney Bathgate · 28-02-2021 11:37pm

end of the road wrote: »

it is clear cut, as a british court/tribunal ruling that someone is a citizen of another country only carries weight in britain under british law.
as bangladesh say she is not a citizen of theirs, then in the real world she is not a bangladeshi citizen, and any ruling by a british court is in international terms irrelevant because ultimately britain cannot tell bangladesh who is and isn't a citizen of their country.

Very ‘clear cut’. If it is so clear cut why is she not back living in the UK?

Rodney Bathgate · 28-02-2021 11:38pm

end of the road wrote: »

this post makes no sense, the other poster was talking about erric.
erric is a different poster to me.
whatever you were trying to achieve, it has been an epic fail.
ah well, better luck next time.

Epic fail, like every single post of yours in this thread?

Rodney Bathgate · 28-02-2021 11:39pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

im not out of anything, just little is being added to the pantomime of 2 posters screaming 'she's a brit, let her back into Britain, brit brit brit'

Yes, getting a bit ridiculous at this stage.

Rodney Bathgate · 28-02-2021 11:45pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Will you ever piss off and start doing some f*cking reading.

I missed this constructive response. A real zinger.

Gatling · 01-03-2021 12:34am

Deleted User wrote: »

UK Immigration Act 2014.

She can only be made stateless

She's currently not British ,

Can't open a current account ( might help to read what your quoting at people)

end of the road · 01-03-2021 12:39am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Very ‘clear cut’. If it is so clear cut why is she not back living in the UK?

because she is in a camp in syria, out of which it would probably not be possible for her to get currently.
even if britain hadn't deprived her of her nationality so as to play politics, it wouldn't be simply the case that she would just go on her merry way back to britain whenever she felt like it.

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Epic fail, like every single post of yours in this thread?

nope.
my posts have been the best, biggliest, most tremendous success in history.

Tokyo · 01-03-2021 4:27am

Mod: @Tyson Red Sadness - don't post in the thread again.

FTA69 · 01-03-2021 8:22am

Gatling wrote: »

She's currently not British ,

Can't open a current account ( might help to read what your quoting at people)

You keep repeating this like it’s some inalienable “gotcha”. Nobody is saying the Brits haven’t removed her citizenship and cancelled her passport. What they’re saying is that her nationality remains British, the country where she was born and raised, and that the Brits are pulling some sleight of hand b*llocks in order to dump their responsibilities in this regard.

As for the other poster saying allowing her back would be a danger for the Kurds, the SDF themselves have explicitly said themselves that respective countries should take back their jihadis and process them.

suicide_circus · 04-03-2021 9:01pm

Were you banned because you were reported or because you were being naughty?

Danzy · 04-03-2021 11:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Am I still banned from posting in here, even though the person that reported me has been site banned for being clueless?

You reported yourself?

Hector Savage · 08-03-2021 11:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

She’s only 21 and already buried 3 children. Beggars belief.

Kids that would have been murdering British citizens in 15/20 years time ...

Odhinn · 08-03-2021 12:49pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Kids that would have been murdering British citizens in 15/20 years time ...

Thanks for that. We who don't have the ability to forsee the future are in your debt.

Eric Cartman · 08-03-2021 1:40pm

FTA69 wrote: »

You keep repeating this like it’s some inalienable “gotcha”. Nobody is saying the Brits haven’t removed her citizenship and cancelled her passport. What they’re saying is that her nationality remains British, the country where she was born and raised, and that the Brits are pulling some sleight of hand b*llocks in order to dump their responsibilities in this regard.

As for the other poster saying allowing her back would be a danger for the Kurds, the SDF themselves have explicitly said themselves that respective countries should take back their jihadis and process them.

Neither of her parents were british, her only link to britain was citizenship which has now been revoked, bangladesh can have her.

end of the road · 08-03-2021 2:30pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Neither of her parents were british, her only link to britain was citizenship which has now been revoked, bangladesh can have her.

her link to britain was that she was born there, which is quite important given they don't have similar laws to us.
if there was any international body able to make a decision on this, they would be siding with bangladesh not having to take her, as her parent's link is not enough under their law according to their government, and the country of birth takes precedents in terms of responsibility.
bangladesh won't be having her, and britain's little stunt has failed.
syrians and kurds etc will lose patients eventually and just open the doors and send these vermin out of syria and while that will be a massive headache, they have every right to do it just like any country has a right to deport foreign criminals.

JustAThought · 10-03-2021 2:16pm

osarusan wrote: »

No sympathy for her at all, but this argument:

is a fairly sinister statement when you think about it.

Really? Industry of law much? What about the two vermin with over 100 convictions between them who preyed on two elderly ladies and stripped them of their life savings ? Or innocent law abiding families being hacked to death or blown up by terrorists let slide into the country despite more flags than a communist party parade up alongside their names?

The Japanese passed laws allowing people be arrested and imprisoned for associating with known criminals and crime gangs in suspiciois circumstances. The Auzzies allow patterns of past violent behaviour and criminal activity be considered when prosecuting and sentencing.

What the * is wrong with those in charge in this country? No consideration for the safety of innocent law abiding citizens. Criminal forst policy.

And of course under the new laws being brought in for illegal immigrants - illegals - she could casullly make her way over her and under new polocy be given a front door private appartment, allowed roam freely about the community and paid - all within 4 months of setting foot - illeagally - on this shore. Along with any other paedophile, rapist, murderer or criminal vermin who wants a free house for life and an easy ride of a country with lax rules and a zero sentencing policy.

Atlantic Dawn · 15-09-2021 5:00pm

She was on Good Morning Britain today, car crash live tv interview, complete basket case desperado now trying to get back to UK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYfjM_nI4JE

fritzelly · 15-09-2021 5:57pm

Doesn't come across as any different - just trying a different tack to get back in to the UK and changing her appearance to be more Western, nail varnish and all...

Her whole body language was screaming "I'm lying"

Sandor Clegane · 16-09-2021 1:47am

At 15 wasn't she legally a child? That is/was the only thing in her favor, but aside from that she hasn't a leg to stand on, I don't buy the new western look and attitude for a minute, also don't believe she didn't no what she was getting into by joining, one google search would reveal how bad ISIS are, also It wouldn't surprise me if she was in fact directly involved in ISIS activities...but what is her future? is she doomed to rot in a camp?

fritzelly · 16-09-2021 5:27am

but what is her future? is she doomed to rot in a camp?

I don't think anyone really cares what happens to her - she may have been 15 but most people at 15 are not stupid (there isn't much maturity growth between 15 and 18), she knew full well where she was going and what she was going to but she didn't care fully shown by her comments about Manchester

WrenBoy · 16-09-2021 9:04am

Love the new look, smart idea to use the grooming excuse as well. Shameless but smart. Hopefully she's left where she is.

OneEightSeven · 16-09-2021 9:43am

Her next step is to take her case to the European Court of Human Rights and she'll probably win because she is technically stateless, as she has never applied for Bangladeshi citizenship and the ECHR tend to enforce international laws.

16-09-2021 9:45am

Is it a prison camp or holiday camp she’s in?

Gatling · 16-09-2021 2:14pm

"she's not been involved in terrorism but she could be an asset to intelligence services fighting terrorism"

Getting a little Mary Poppins now ,

Still believe any of the Europeans including the UK and here who went to Syria to join Isis should be been put to death , if the Kurdish forces don't want to, then send special forces to interview them in a desert and removed to buried in unmarked graves ,

And let anyone else that's thinking of joining a similar group in the future it's going to end one way for them