Will racism ever end?

14-09-2021 07:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887945#Comment_117887945

Its only bizarre if you ignore the abundance of times it was clearly explained how the opposition to the knee was nothing to do with race and all against BLM.

Throwing in non existent "white privilege" as a bait was a nice touch though.

Those kind of terms definitely don't create more division between races. No siree.

There will always be racism because people are idiots. Some people are just racist, and some people will redefine racism so they can see it everywhere.

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 08:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888007#Comment_117888007

Some of the opposition to the taking of the knee was racism. Plain and simple.

14-09-2021 08:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888094#Comment_117888094

On here? I didn't see it. I may have missed a poster or two who cited racism as their opposition but the overwhelming majority explicitly said that their issue was with the implied and unavoidable association of the gesture being linked to BLM

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888098#Comment_117888098

Oh right you think people who hold racist views are going to come on boards and go hey my opposition to this gesture against racism is because I hate black people.

How quaint.

Those damn millionaire footballers and their BLM Marxist conspiracy they just want us all living in communist Russia.

Am I doing this right now?

14-09-2021 08:27AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888120#Comment_117888120

Oh right, so because you personally believe certain people to be racist, you are using the non racist words that they use as proof of their racism?

I, along with a lot of others, oppose BLM and would not support any initiative which uses a gesture so inextricably linked to them. We even listed other anti-racism campaigns which we did/do support.

But of course, that's just us being covert racists. You see right through us.

Am I doing this right now?

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 08:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888146#Comment_117888146

Taking the knee is inextricably linked to BLM in what way?

Trademarked copyrighted. Or just in your head?

You might want to edit the wiki page so dunne. Because they see it as an anti racist gesture that has been adopted by movements including BLM.

But no you think the reason the premier league players do this is because of BLM and not an anti racism gesture?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_knee

Pussyhands · 14-09-2021 08:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117874947#Comment_117874947

I don't understand what you mean?

Who is dismissing the OPs experience? I didn't see anyone say "ah just get on with it!" or "that never happened"?

The question in the thread title is "will racism ever end?"

14-09-2021 09:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888181#Comment_117888181

In much the same way that goose stepping and one armed salutes are inextricably linked to Nazis.

In much the same way that sticking a middle finger up to someone is telling them essentially to F-off

In much the same way that making a wanky hand gesture is linked to telling someone they are a wanker

In much the same way that anti-far right campaigners demanded people be fired for using the ok gesture because of it's link with far right groups.

I said previously that I don't have any idea, nor do I care, if the players are taking the knee for BLM, the fact remains that it remains a divisive gesture due to it being a very prominent part of the "summer of (mostly peaceful) protests/riots" and to use it to combat racism, in what we are told is a separate campaign, is exceptionally short sighted when the goal should be to unite against racism and not divide.

So please don't put words in my mouth. I don't think the players are doing it for BLM, I just know that the gesture is a racially divisive one and they shouldn't be using it.

Fandymo · 14-09-2021 09:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887945#Comment_117887945

Footballers could easily force social media to change their terms and conditions by closig their accounts for a short time. Social media is the current medium for overt racism. Now rather than do this, the clowns kneel before their games in a move that changes absolutely nothing, but they can pat themselves on the back for doing 'something'. That is the issue i'd have with footballers and other athletes kneeling. It changes nothing, while they have the power to actually change something. It's lip service.

Fandymo · 14-09-2021 09:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888181#Comment_117888181

Harry Kane has literally said that they should be doing more for BLM than taking the knee. Thats probably not a link to BLM though?

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 09:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888243#Comment_117888243

Godwined. Bravo. So taking the knee is similar to the nazi slaute and goosestep. Can you expand on what you mean by this?

14-09-2021 09:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888323#Comment_117888323

You want me to expand on a very clear point?

Ok.

A salute consisting of raising an outstretched right arm with the palm down is linked to the Nazi party in the same way that "taking the knee" is linked to BLM

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 09:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888308#Comment_117888308

Premier League players said in a statement: "We feel now, more than ever, it is important for us to continue to take the knee as a symbol of our unity against all forms of racism."

PL players released an actual statement and never mention BLM but yeah harry kane says something. 🤣🤣

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/premier-league-players-will-continue-to-take-the-knee-this-season-1.4638212

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12371928/premier-league-players-to-continue-taking-a-knee-in-2021-22-season

Fandymo · 14-09-2021 09:52AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888398#Comment_117888398

Yup, nothing to do with BLM. Lets twist again. 💃

"England captain Harry Kane has explained why Premier League footballers feel the need to continue to take a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement, with the striker responding to those who believe it is an empty gesture."

And a link from Sky Sports, who had Black Lives Matter plastered all over their graphics?

This Sky?

"Sky, the Comcast-owned pay-TV operator in the United Kingdom, has come out in support of the Black Lives Matter movement after it emerged that U.K. public service broadcaster the BBC had ruled that presenters and guests would not be allowed to wear Black Lives Matter badges on air."

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 09:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888476#Comment_117888476

Sky is not the representative body of the premier league players they are a broadcasting company. What did the PL players statement say?

14-09-2021 09:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888398#Comment_117888398

It's the gesture that is divisive not their message. I wouldn't support any initiative that uses that gesture.

Fandymo · 14-09-2021 09:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888484#Comment_117888484

They said "We, the Players, stand together with the singular objective of eradicating racial prejudice wherever it exists, to bring about a global society of inclusion, respect, and equal opportunities for All, regardless of their colour or creed. This symbol is a sign of unity from all Players, all Staff, all Clubs, all Match Officials and the Premier League #blacklivesmatter #playerstogether."

The League supports the players’ wish to have their names replaced by "Black Lives Matter" on the back of their shirts for the first 12 matches of the restarted 2019/20 season.

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 10:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888499#Comment_117888499

Sorry do black lives not matter what is your issue with that statement?

Again the statement calls out what this is for and at no point do they say they are supporting the BLM movement.

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 10:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888494#Comment_117888494

That's really your problem and not the premier league players though isn't it.

14-09-2021 10:48AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888720#Comment_117888720

It's not my "problem". It is no problem to be vocally against a divisive gesture. If the players feel that being booed for their divisive gesture, it's their problem

14-09-2021 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888714#Comment_117888714

That's dishonest Robbie.

"Do black lives not matter?"

Who said they didn't? Opposing the BLM organisation or movement does not equate to saying that black lives do not matter.

There is a separate blm/players taking the knee thread for this btw.

We can go back on topic.

Racism in my opinion will never be eradicated because there will always be idiots who are prejudiced and there will always be idiots who will find racism where there is none, in order to get their fix of faux moral superiority and feel like they are "sticking up" for the downtrodden.

RobbieTheRobber · 14-09-2021 10:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888752#Comment_117888752

No reference to the movement in your quote from the Pl players statement. That hash tag is not owned by BLM and anything not stated in the link is being inferred by you. Please deal with what was in the quote you quoted.

14-09-2021 10:56AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888764#Comment_117888764

I'll deal with any of it over in the Players taking the Knee thread rather than keep dragging this off topic. See you over there.

14-09-2021 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887945#Comment_117887945

How is that bizarre since the logic would be that taking the knee would do nothing to stop racism? So, for those who believe that racism will continue regardless, it becomes an empty gesture, and reminiscent of virtue signalling.

If you think racism will always exist, and have a problem with people calling attention to this and asking for action to be taken to hold people responsible, you should have a good think about where that puts you.

Actually, I'd say that you should consider where your objection puts you, because the people objecting to the attention given to racism, are being true to their belief that racism will continue regardless. IMHO, I'd go further to say that many of these anti-racism initiatives are overly pushy, and will generate more racism rather than diminish it, because of this "holier than thou" attitude that is often displayed by advocates is divisive, and inflammatory. The range of double standards when qualifiers for people to be racist are only extended to one group (white people) and not extended to others (Black people).

At the very least its probably an example of that white privilege which you are also adamant doesn't exist.

The only way for any racial privilege to exist would be to acknowledge that privilege exists for all races under variable circumstances, and since it's based on race, as opposed to individual circumstances, anyone promoting the idea of white privilege would be racist. We rarely, if ever, hear of Black privilege, or Asian privilege, even though there would be times where it is advantageous to be one of those races over another. And so, it's used by activists as a tool to beat on White people, based on their race, which signifies their own racism towards white people.

14-09-2021 11:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888814#Comment_117888814

Just want to throw in an aul +1 for all of the above.

Fandymo · 14-09-2021 11:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888714#Comment_117888714

OK Chubby Checker, lets twist again and ignore that BLM stands for the #blacklivesmatter. No point talking to you, you ignore anything that shows up the nonsense you post. G'dluck

Tell me how · 14-09-2021 12:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888752#Comment_117888752

A choice between 'faux moral superiority' or at the very least being an apologist for racists is no choice at all in my view.

14-09-2021 12:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889223#Comment_117889223

As much as I can't stand people who invent racism and falsely and dishonestly allude/pathetically attempt to frame people as racists, I agree, actual apologists for actual racists are much worse.

The former are much more prevalent on here thankfully.

Tell me how · 14-09-2021 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117888814#Comment_117888814

Except that that wasn't the logic I was referring to. Nice try though.

As with the the dunne, if you are watching people who are being racially targeted do an act specifically to call attention to them bein targeted in that way, and they are the ones you have the issue with, then there isn't much room for interpreting what that means.

Tell me how · 14-09-2021 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117889262#Comment_117889262

Funny how all the threads that are started on such topics are started with a view that those calling for action are SJW's or the likes. Time and again here the focus, and probably most of the individual contributors to threads are of a mindset against a cause rather than calling for support for one.

Will racism ever end?

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