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Intel shortlists site in Galway for major plant

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    10,000 jobs lol



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Probably throwing in construction plus spin off jobs multiplier.

    I imagine transport would form part of any planning- I wonder how it would be dealt with.

    The railway line and motorway is nearby/adjacent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Where exactly is the Defence firing range in Oranmore?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Intel employ big numbers in fairness. (unlike data centers)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're not wrong but even Lexilip has only 5,000. The article says this will dwarf Lexilip so maybe I'll have to eat my words



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's this block of land here.

    It used to be a British army Air strip once upon a time afaik.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "It used to be a British army Air strip once upon a time afaik"

    More inane trivia - the Pavilion ("The Hanger") dance hall which was in Salthill Park came from there. Guess how it got its nickname ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    If you walk into the unused IDA business park, look over the fence on the left.

    You will see a lane leading from the main road, alongside the IDA site, and continuing on.

    AFAIK, that lane is the access to the firing range.



  • Registered Users Posts: 246 ✭✭rh5555


    Where do 10,000 employees are supposed to live? You can barely find anything for rent / buy right now in Oranmore / Galway. I am assuming that a lot of jobs will be in the Fabs itself so no remote work for them although I am sure some can be done remotely for other tasks.

    Let's not even get started with the extra traffic.

    In my opinion there is just not enough infrastructure / housing available for this amount of employees and I don't see that changing for many years.

    Lastly, someone will boycott/protest the plant for whatever reason anyway.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There will be a lot of international competition looking for this investment, I cant see Galway getting it but they are offering a big state owned site because of how the IDA screwed up when they tried to CPO the farmer next door to the Leixlip factory.


    Not strictly related but there's a great comment in the IT yesterday from a local councillor.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/social-housing-estate-in-galway-village-blocked-by-councillors-1.4671900

    "The housing crisis is leaving Galway with choices to make, says Social Democrats councillor Owen Hanley, with four-storey buildings becoming more common inside the city’s boundaries, but “not mega-storey” buildings."

    FOUR STORIES LADS FOUR STORIES!!!!!!!!!!!!😆



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Would be a massive boost for Galway were it to go ahead - 10k jobs would include massive amounts of construction though. 5k in Leixlip includes a huge amount of non-fabrication roles. Seeing as there are already design centres in Leixlip and Shannon, unlikely that kind of work would move to Galway - most likely just fabrication work (which is still a lot of highly skilled employment)

    Would only exacerbate tradesmen shortages in the region



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble




  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You could say the same about Leixlip. Where do 5000 employees live in the sleepy town of Leixlip?

    For Galway, many of the people that will be employed will already be living in Galway or surrounding areas. Where I live, many of the people living near me commute into Galway for work each day(or used to at least). Oranmore is very close to Loughrea, Athenry, and even a commute from Athlone or Limerick is plausible at both being around the hour mark.

    As for traffic, it won't be 10,000 all going into work at the one time, it'll be a quarter of that per shift. I'd expect a shuttle bus going from the train station at shift change too.

    When I worked in Intel, the shift rotation was 3 days on 4 days off, 4 days on 3 days off. Three of the guys on my team lived in scotland, When their "weekend" came, they went home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    From my years in Intel, it's hard to describe how big an effect this would have. Intel has had a massive effect on Ireland, never mind Leixlip. It is exactly the type of cutting-edge manufacturing that we want here. The beauty is that the majority of Intel employees either will already be highly educated or will go further into education through Intel, which is great for the people of the region. I have been to many fabs around the world and the areas they are in have all boomed from their arrival. Also, it would push up salaries around the region.

    The downside is increased prices of houses, renting, services, etc. That being said, I just think this level of development in the west would be amazing If this is announced, I will be on Daft that day for any and all cheap houses I can purchase!

    Apparently we are up against Germany. I have been to Germany a few times with Intel at various sites (They bought a part of Infineon a few years ago) and they do have vast tracks of land. The downside for Germany is that salaries are high across the board, very tough to find skilled labour (Hard to see how it's that much easier here) and higher corporate tax plus social security.

    Can I see it happening? I am hopeful but have concerns around the power and water availability of the site. Intel in Leixlip used 1.7 million m3 of water in the last four months. For reference, Boston Scientific in Galway used 100,000 m3 of water in the whole of 2010. Semiconductor manufacturing uses a crazy amount of water. That is an absolutely monumental amount of water and, if I am not mistaken, a previous pharma company had to pull out of coming to Oranmore after they could not get a supply of water.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    And the answer to that question is....there isn't enough houses in Leixlip. Leixlip itself is a shithole yet house prices are higher than a lot of Dublin.



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's not enough houses anywhere in Ireland because during the aftermath of the crash we stopped building houses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Why are people still acting like it's 2012 and that we're desperate for jobs. Do the people here not realise the chronic shortage of employees at the moment and that there was pre covid? My friend is an engineer in a MNC and basically doubled his salary in under 2 years through job hopping. MNCs can't find the workers they need.

    If you think that's a good thing because wages go up, I wouldn't agree that's a good thing. All that does is drive property up and up.

    You're talking about nearly 450k for a new 3 bed semi in leixlip at the moment. Leixlip is a dump with nothing in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Ultimately I don't see Intel selecting Oranmore as the location but you never know. The IDA suck them off so much. Trickle down economics at its best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    With the massive amount of water that drains the corrib each day, surely a water supply shouldnt be that much of an issue.

    IIRC, intel filter their own water in and out - so its probably cleaner going out than it is on the way in. Be uproar though from the usual suspects, the idea of a MNC sucking water out of the corrib would make them lose their sh*t



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    This is a very "Im Alright Jack" type of mentality

    You have a job, so we shouldnt look to secure any new ones - what about future generations? Don't you want your children/grandchildren to have a chance of getting a good job? Because pulling up the ladder as you advocate is a big f*ck you to the younger generations



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The pharma problem with the water was the quality, not the quantity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Oranmore is beside the sea. Shouldn't be a big problem to build a link to it and a filtration plant if it secures anywhere near the number of jobs quoted



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I think it's you who has the "I'm alright jack" mentality.

    Do you care about your daughter or son actually being able to afford a home in the future?

    This isn't jobs for 30 years down the line, this is jobs in the next few years. They're not going to leave those jobs unfilled to wait for your daughter to grow up and then give a job. The jobs will get filled by immigrants and they'll be pushing up property prices like they have done in leixlip and Dublin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    From the limited research I have conducted, I don't believe Intel conducts any desalination of seawater. This is entirely possible but it takes a massive amount of electricity, which would probably make the plant unviable relative to another site with adequate fresh water.

    A quick search reveals that 3kwh/m3 is the going power consumption these days for desalination. If we presume all water is from the sea, that is 3*1.7 million so 5,100,000 kwh every 4 months. At 13.26cent/kwh ("Electricity prices for industries with an annual consumption between 500 and 2,000 megawatt-hours stood at 13.26 euro cents per kilowatt hours."), that is 670k euro or 2.01 million in yearly electricity costs just for desalination. Obviously, this is not including the huge capital layout for setting up such a desalination plant.



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where do they get the water for the Leixlip plant?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Ahh, so its an anti immigrants angle you're pushing. You shouldve just said so from the beginning and stopped hiding behind housing price concerns



  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    From the Liffery through Kildate CoCo. In 2013 this appeared to be the case - ''The Leixlip Water Treatment Works in Co. Kildare is the second largest water treatment facility in Ireland. With a capacity of 175,000 m3 a day''



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands




  • Registered Users Posts: 258 ✭✭gaming_needs90


    After looking at the satellite maps, it looks like the site has the potential to be much larger. Its probably not all owned by the state but this particular block all looks to have the same features (Tracks, lack of agriculture etc). If I am not just randomly taking away someones huge farm or in the wrong place, id say Intel are liking the huge potential to expand too.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    It's the Oranmore rifle range surely? Looks like an army installation anyway with rifle ranges in the left corner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Intel didn't select this site, this is the IDAs selection.

    I actually fail to see any quotes or news from Intel stating Ireland is on some kind of a shortlist, which is what irish media seem to be running with. I think just because the CEO, when he was in Ireland last week, stated it could be in Ireland led people to think Ireland was high up in the running. No country is ruled out.

    Ultimately it will be who gives them the greatest benefits. We give them land for free. They're looking for around 8 billion in tax payers money.

    They also said they want more chips manufactured in Europe. It would be a slight risk for them to have all their european chip capacity in one country.

    I think it's more likely Germany. I think Ireland would turn out to be much more expensive to build/run as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They already have a large fab here, are building a test building for a new fab, were planning on building the new fabs in leixlip only for that farmer who wouldnt sell.

    It would make sense for them to locate the new stuff in Ireland aswell - there would be considerable crossover between existing fabs and new ones in terms of expertise. And it wasnt irish media who broke this story, but the Times UK



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    We're veering off topic but:

    • Two train stations
    • Multiple frequent bus routes
    • Multiple schools (primary, & secondary)
    • Library
    • Two GAA clubs
    • Soccer club
    • tennis club
    • various other amenities (athletics track, fishing, canoeing, etc.)
    • Adjacent to St Catherines park
    • multiple pubs, restaurants and cafes
    • proximity to N4/M4 and M50
    • close to multiple retail centres, cinemas, etc.

    The only thing I can think of that it is missing is a swimming pool!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    You're jumping the gun there, a bit like the IDA.

    The IDA were the ones who were dying to get the land from the farmer as they wanted to be in pole position to say "here, we have loads of land here you can have" if/when Intel wanted to expand operations like they are now.

    Any previous plans are irrelevant anyways considering they have a new CEO and a new CEO who knows what he's doing, not like the accountants they previously had.

    My point still stands regarding the media. They are making out that Intel have shortlisted the site, when it was the IDA who shortlisted the site. Basically, this is Irelands entry into eurovision and now Intel needs to vote. Are government going to be giving 8 billion to Intel? I'm not sure!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    Intel are on a massive recruitment drive at the moment. They are taking on several hundred people this month. Induction starts for some on Monday. These are quality, wellpaid jobs - if it comes to be true.

    I hope it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They had no definite plans to build on the guys land, but they absolutely had notions of expanding and building a new "superfab" in Ireland. Ideally as an extension of their current campus. They built a trial building for it ffs, a huge thing just to learn costing and other things at a smaller scale.

    The IDA absolutely bottled that before, but its not like a eurovision entry - and if it were, we would have many more points at this stage than the Germans.

    Previously there were fears that Intel would spin off the fabrication company as a separate entity and keep all the other divisions (processors etc) - some other companies have done so in the past. However Gelsinger (new CEO) seems to be of the mind that fabrication is an important core business to Intel, and in the global market with huge chip shortages and a serious lack of new fab capacity worldwide, it makes absolute sense for them to invest in more facilities.

    Obviously all we or anyone can do is speculate right now, but they are more likely to invest in Ireland than elsewhere in Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    They're building a superfab on site in leixlip at this very moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I wasnt aware they went ahead - even more proof of their commitment here now.

    And if they're already building a fab, then there will be the knowledge and expertise here to build further if they go ahead with another fabrication campus in the near future. Thats a few more points for the Irish eurovision entry right there



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    They are very well placed to build and staff any new fabs. They are hoovering up all the college grads at present. Ads EVERYWHERE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Motorway door to door as well. There's lots of advantages to the site



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Exactly - the Galway site would be near to 2 motorways, and 2 Universities* in Galway city. Could link up with Intel sites in Shannon and Cork.

    And near enough to trainline too



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Knowledge and expertise to build further? The actual real technical stuff is all foreign labour brought in to the country anyways. Why build in Ireland when you have ASML on your doorstep in the Netherlands?

    A lot of rubbish spouted in this thread. People convincing themselves it's perfect and that it's happening.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Shannon is irrelevant to any development. They work on completely different products.

    Universities again doesn't make any difference. They already get as many level 7s for technician roles as they can possibly get. It's low skill work anyways.

    I think the IDA know they won't win it and are just putting Oranmore as their front runner to say they're trying to develop other cities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Lithography machines are ASML, however being 4 hours or 8 hours from ASML isnt much of a difference either way. Machines are ordered, shipped, installed and regularly maintained by ASML engineers who travel for days/weeks at a time.

    Far more important would be the price of land - which is much more expensive in or around the Netherlands. Gelsinger has actually admitted that Ireland is on a shortlist with other locations for the proposed new campus - it doesnt mean its guaranteed to happen but I'm sure theres more than a chance. the IDA hardly line up sites when they know theres no chance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Any quotes from Gelsinger?

    There is no shortlist of locations made up. But it's obviously going to be Ireland or the western european countries, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France. The main factor will be who gives them the subsidies they're looking for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,113 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/potential-for-new-intel-chip-facility-with-10000-jobs-would-be-huge-boost-to-galway-councillor-says-40844740.html

    Intel chief executive Pat Gelsinger last week visited Intel in Leixlip with Taoiseach Micheál Martin and told reporters an Irish site had made it onto the shortlist of the final ten locations being considered.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It must be some impressive achievement to run a factory for over 20 years and not build up their local technical knowledge?



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A lot of rubbish spouted in this thread.

    Much of it from you.



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