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Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The discerning thing for US voters to do then would be to ignore the liar and all his publicity efforts, deny him air. The snag is each state has its own GOP party and as long as he is allowed to use it for his own benefit state by state at the personal gain whim of the local GOP politicians and media buffs, he'll be around for a while yet. As for getting a chance to successfully run as the GOP contender for 2024, that's up to his enemies to scupper.

    Another way of stopping him is to keep making links between him at a personal level of misuse of campaign funds, convince the funders [private and party] he's just into the bid for election to con money out of them for personal use and to pay off debts he's run up unconnected to either of his campaigns. Just keep publicising all the charities he's allowed his name to be directly linked to which have been proven to be awash with illegalities to misuse the donations given them. He's not the only person capable of tailoring information to suit a purpose - Crooked Hillary - sling enough mud and crank him up to a public eruption on something before the courts, preferably the USSC. All's fair in politics, as he's proven with his style.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,335 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Report by cnn opinion that Trump is running 2024. He has already been running several campaign rallies during 2021. Rallies are the only thing he does well. He does not know how to govern given his performance during 4 years. Or the fact that he never held a public office before 2016. A large minority adore him. He entails all their prejudices. Cheering them on and telling them what the want to hear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,335 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    At the risk of being cliche, it is a long time before November 2024. Trump caught Covid. He could manifest long term affects between now and then. Lots of “ifs” that no one can predict today.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The absolute only way Trump wins is by wholesale Voter suppression - Which to be fair the GOP are going all out to achieve , but it still may not be enough.

    Trump is utterly toxic outside of that hardcore GOP base. He will do absolutely nothing to appeal to Biden voters or Independents and if he continues to make everything about how he was robbed in 2020 he hasn't a chance.

    He will lose the popular vote by a very wide margin , but like I said - Flip Georgia, Arizona and a couple of others by tiny margins via wholesale Voter suppression etc. and he might just squeak back in.

    The Mid-terms will tell us a lot - If the GOP take back either chamber , then Trump has a shot with the aforementioned caveats.

    If the Democrats hold on or even expand their control , he and the GOP are toast in 2024.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    This opinion is based on what exactly?


    Least year we were told repeatedly that Biden was a terrible candidate; borderline senile, corrupt, but somehow still too boring to beat Trump. Biden won in a near landslide.


    Since Biden won we’ve had non stop whinging from Trump about the election being rigged. We’ve had the capital riot on the 6th of January. Biden has governed unspectacularly and competently.


    Trump is going to energise his base but won’t sway one swing voter back with this nonsense. What exactly do you think he’ll do to take back the middle ground.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Trump is facing legal actions on several fronts entailing corruption and tax fraud. He only has to lose one of these seriously and he is toast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    The world is about to be engulfed by global warming chaos… we don’t need Trump in the mix …. Him running alone is enough to further destabilise America



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I'd never rule out Trump making a comeback and adding a new answer to that classic trivia question about non-consecutive presidents ... but in doubling down in both the "stolen election" narrative and the anti-vaccination/mask one, it begs the question: how is he going to entice the swing or independent voters in the next election with brazen extremism? Aside from being a known, controversial quantity from his actual years in charge, his year in the wilderness has not shown any form kind of Road to Damascus moment; quite the opposite. He has become more belligerent, more bitter.

    The only thing keeping him relevant is the GOP insisting on courting Trump's base, that frothing, angry cohort who are statistically important enough in various districts and states to be worth engaging with.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That is indeed the Rock and the Hard place that the GOP have put themselves between.

    They need to keep Trump onside because his MAGA base will ensure that anyone that pushes back against him to any great extent will get Primaried and potentially lose the party nomination. The flip side of that is that by keeping him close and pandering to his lunacy, they are building an ever more insurmountable barrier between them and moderate/independent voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    He will win the primary easily enough, but unsure about an election.


    The GOP will hope he steps aside but he won't , he needs the attention and corporate media who are hugely reliant on Trump to prop up their dying mediums will boost him with huge coverage as they did in 2016. I seen the abysmal Ric Wilson celebrate on twitter when linking to a story about him running. Why was that?


    The "Anti Trump" online presence relies on him for fundraising , exposure etc. It is utterly insane that these people will say " Trump is the greatest threat to democracy in the last 50 years" but then keep him relevant and goad him into running when ultimately due to the American way of voting he will always have a sizable chance of winning.

    The GOP will get online because they are terrified of him, he raises loads of money and bar the obnoxiousness online he governs exactly like how they want him to.

    I do think DeSantis would have won easily enough in 2024, but he obviously won't run when Trump announces and he is playing to much to the Trump base in last few months when previously he seemed to be much more focused.


    A Trump v Biden part 2 is hell, but its what the USA deserves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭BobHopeless


    SNIP. No insults.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    News coming out that Melanias chief of staff has written a book about her four years working for the Trump administration.


    "She saw another side of the Trumps — in the residence — that most staffers never got to see."

    Grisham's former West Wing colleague tells Swan: "There isn’t enough water on earth to contain the fire she could set to all of Trump world, including parts like the first lady’s orbit, which not many people are in a position to illuminate."

    Could be an interesting read, Will she shed new light on how bad Trump was or will it just be the stuff we already know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    The lookie-likey double was a really mild story in terms of the whole circus, but it was just so very weird. So obvious. So weird. I'm half expecting the real story to be that Melania sent the double, and yer man never noticed at all rather than him having the idea to order a lookalike himself.

    I'd expect Melania to be as equally toxic a personality as he is, but that's not much of a reveal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,935 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    We're not too far away from the point where he will effectively shut down investigation in to him through announcing that he is running as anyone who goes after him then will be accused of being politically motivated.

    Of course it shouldn't happen this way, that is not to say it won't. I wouldn't be surprised either if he has some deal with senior GOP to keep in the running and maybe step aside then on the basis that they will again try to protect him from prosecution. It works for the GOP as it keeps the 74M on side for now and doesn't expose a frontrunner too early.

    One thing we know Trump isn't doing is doing any sort of work to advocate for his supporters or America in general. He isn't visiting areas affected by Covid, or storms or anything to express concern and support. Nor is he encouraging his followers to protect themselves by getting vaccinated. He hinted at that at one of his rallies and they booed the suggestion so he probably won't go there again. He is doing what he always did, thinking and acting only for himself. To think that people look at that and think he cares about the average American is one of the mysteries of our time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,337 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I doubt she’ll shed much light on the dynamic that hasn’t already been said which while the things in the book may be bad, they’ll just be another layer on top of the **** show we knew it was.

    Those quotes are all well and good but they were hardy going to sell the book as a flop were they ?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I've rarely had any sympathy for Melania throughout the Trump presidency; maybe, maybe after hearing the story of floods of tears upon her learning Trump had actually won the election - but otherwise? She has conducted herself in the manner of the trophy wife, a misanthropic type that if you saw it in a TV drama, you'd snark at the obvious tropes and clichés of sullen youth married to a tycoon fogey. Even if she didn't want the role, she never once conducted herself as the better person. By all accounts, we have since learned that Michelle Obama positively hated her days as the poltician's wife - but she always behaved with dignity and class Melania never approached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I read it as Biden and Trump. (Harris didn't occur to me)

    "idiots" is a weak expression as Trump is worse than an idiot and Biden is a very impressive man but with the flaws we all have (and a desperately difficult situation we have to wish him-and us, luck with).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I've seen a headline from TMZ on a facebook page and, given its wording, reckon it's an exaggeration of some quote from another source. Is TMZ a good source of news or a site built on exaggerated speculation?

    The headline is to the effect that, when it come to a rally on Sept 18th in Washington by protestors supporting those being investigated and prosecuted, CPD officers are [for want of a better word] EXPECTED to be going to ask if they can use lethal force if necessary. Officials have allegedly told TMZ it'll be an "all hands on deck" occasion for CPD.

    AP has reported that the fencing will be going back up in DC before the rally, which sounds to me to be a sensible precaution. I'm thinking that if the TMZ quote is correct, it might be an official leak intended to cool the ardour of any protestors on the 18th, to let them know there will be a degree of official preparedness for trouble that day unlike on the 06 Jan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I would call Jan6 an attempted coup d'etat.That should not be disregarded.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,335 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Voter suppression measures are in progress for Republican controlled swing states. Plus the Republican controlled Arizona senate is funding the biased and sham 2020 recount in support of the Trump Big Lie. Such actions anticipate a Trump 2024 run.

    Watch the California 14 September 2021 governor recall election funded by the national and state GOPs. If the Republicans succeed, it will anticipate a Republican controlled USA congress after the 2022 midterms. As well as an almost guaranteed Trump run in 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Don Snr and Jnr will be busy tomorrow on the 20th anniversary of 9/11 providing commentary on a pay-for-view boxing match between Evander Holyfield vs. Vitor Belfort fight in Hollywood Florida while the real president will be in NYC at the anniversary ceremony.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    TMZ wouldn't be my choice for a reliable news source. Celebrity gossip type stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,644 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr



    Donald Trump speaking at the Moonies conference, One dangerous cult leader praising another dangerous cult leader




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,935 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is what the former attorney to Trump was up to last night.

    Note, the publisher of this Tweet, the pro-Trump, 'the election was stolen' New York Post.

    And another thing to note from the party who tells people to respect the military above all else, this is what he said about currently active General Milley.

    During a rant at an annual Sept. 11 dinner held at Cipriani, Giuliani wondered of Gen. Mark Milley, “How’s that guy a general?” while imagining physically assaulting the decorated joint Chiefs of Staff chairman because of his advice to close Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan.

    “I wanted to grab his stars and shove it down his throat and say, ‘It’s 400 miles from China, a–hole! China is going to be our enemy for the next 40 years! You have an airbase 400 miles from them and you’re giving it up? Idiot!” the Republican former mayor fumed at the Italian restaurant in Manhattan. “What the hell is wrong with you?”




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    That sound's similar to Trump's "I want to come down and punch that guy in the face" at one of his rallies while security hustled the guy out of the room safely away from Trump to avoid a physical fight.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,538 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: Below standard posts removed.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stephen King the book author has hit the nail on the head in the latest tweet of his.

    Suits

    Suit Trumps doctrine as well to a t.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's permeating everything.

    Larry Elder , who's running against Newsom in the California Gubernatorial recall election launched a website shilling for money yesterday claiming that he'd lost the election due to confirmed fraud.

    This despite the fact that the Election isn't over - Today is the actual voting day , and not a single vote has been looked at or counted yet.

    In the GOP minds , the only reason Larry Elder who is a thoroughly awful individual could lose in California - A state where registered Democrats outnumber Republicans 2:1 and that Trump lost by 30 points+ is via Fraud.

    A recent survey in California showed that 60% of California Republicans didn't trust elections and believed that Trump only lost because of Electoral fraud.

    Those numbers are fairly consistent across the US in that 50%+ of all Republicans believe that Trump won and that the Elections were rigged.

    Genuinely hard to see how those people are brought back toward reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The rally around Trump amongst sections of the GOP party seems to be de rigueur. The Log Cabin Republicans & Liberty Education Forum are going to hold their Annual Spirit of Lincoln Gala dinner at Trumps Mar-A-Lago resort [which he is apparently calling his home] in Nov and will presenting Melania Trump an award FROM helping children reach their full potential TO championing a more inclusive Republican Party. The notice from the Log Cabin about the event also states that Don Trump is also expected to give a speech at the event. Charles Moran, chair of the Log Cabin is reported to have said about Melania that her vocal support for Log Cabin Republicans is a signal to Republicans everywhere that it is possible to simultaneously be conservative and support equality under the law for all Americans. For the unknowledged, The Log Cabin group is a Gay group within the GOP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,337 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I was wondering after I initially saw the former mayor of New York City’s speech whether there was open bar because he was even less coherent than he’s normally been, and it seems he’s confirmed he drank at the event which was meant to be a solemn event for 9/11. I love the quotes what he denies he was drunk, or that he’s an alcoholic, by using the word functioning with the word alcoholic, and probably that proves his point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭amandstu


    ****,the Woodward book is out.


    They should start selling little Milley statues that people can offer up votive offerings to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    What would make for good reading [IMO] would be listening to the response from the Chinese side of the conversation [if it was recorded] to Gen Milleys advance warning to them. It would be worrying for the Chinese to get such a call in the first place from Gen Milley "my president is flying off the handle because he lost the election and WE think you should know WE will be stopping any order from him taking precipitative actions". For the chairman of JCS to advise the other world player that Trump may go rogue is really bad. We'll have to see how the GOP in DC try to rebuff or destroy the image of their selected one going rogue on the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Interesting that Vindman is calling for Milley's resignation if the reports of the call to China are accurate. He has cred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Vindman may have more than being a US true blue loyalist on his mind when he made the statement about Milley apparently supplanting a loyalty to any chain of command structure with that of loyalty to the US [on a greater good basis]. Vindman [according to Trump] had loyalties to Ukraine over those to the US [as represented by Trump] which he served a commissioned military officer like Milley. Vindman doesn't exactly have a love affair wit Russia [ala Putin] so it may conceivably have been on his mind that China may not have been the only nation-party that Milley contacted re his worries about possible angry Trump moves. I'd look at the China-N/Korea situation in respect of Trumps previous statements about N/Korea [as it's what is could be called a client-state of China]. It would be sensible if Milley also spoke to his opposite number in Russia to allay any Kremlin fears about Trumps stability, vis a vie the ongoing Russia/Ukraine situation, and allay any fears Russia might feel from its monitoring of the existing [then] sitting US president and his statements. Trump was simply a Wild Card back then with an unknown potential.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Cant find the tool to allow me edit and add to my last above. Vindman may not have been aware of the Trump Admin behind the scenes deal being struck with the Taliban as he was struck out of the military loop by Trump and denied relative military info on which to make an accurate and definitive assessment of proper JCS actions needed to secure US national and international interests above those of POTUS flailing about in anger in the Oval Office at the election result. I wrote above about Vindma's reaction to what's in the book on Gen Milleys reported actions [which may be true] in an advance response to a possible Trump tantrum.

    Bringing Vindmans POSSIBLE concerns about Ukraine up to date [vis a vie Russia] Belarussia and Russia are currently hold large wargames supposedly in joint concerns about the stability of Ukraine. My apologies to you and other readers for my two-part response to the ongoing Trump campaign. The Russia /Belorussia wargames are mentioned on the Defence Forces Members and Veterans F/B page "Putin oversees vast wargames with Belarus".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,767 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Just briefly off topic to say the edit option is the three little dots beside the post number on your own posts (you can't see it on other people's posts). You can edit for 24 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Well I'm pretty sure Melania isn't looking for your sympathy or would find any use for it even if you offered it to her.

    You might be aware Melania is a supermodel and when she married Trump he wasn't even a politician but a businessman. So it's highly unlikely she was even interested in being a political First Lady or ever felt she was capable of doing anything much more than giving speeches written by others as required. It's not like supermodels tend to come of a background of journalism or politics or other or high profile careers, like the likes of Michele Obama who being a bright well educated successful woman in her own right would already have the skills to cope with being the First Lady and be able to offer some original input of her own, rather than just looking like a 'sullen youth married to a tycoon fogey' as you so unnecessarily disparagingly put it and since you did it's unlikely you would ever have any sympathy for her in the first place.

    Your post reminds me, what happened to all these suggestions that Melania was going to divorce Donald Trump after all the negative media attention he got since becoming president- as if she didn't know who he was before he became president? I found those suggestions obnoxious because it was clear some people would enjoy to see it happen which is the break up of a family with young kids. Imagine getting satisfaction from that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 820 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    What do you think attracted Melania to Trump, his looks or his personality?

    Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,825 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Tangential to Trump, somewhat, but the GOP's recall attempt to dislodge Gavin Newsom has failed specularly in California; their great hope was a real Trumpist in Larry Elder who, of course, immediately starting claiming election shenanigans. Seems like this is the GOP playbook for the time being: if we didn't win, it was rigged.

    Apparently this recall election will cost the state $300 million (so much for the party of fiscal conservatism), while Newsoms offence to justify the recall was IIRC visiting a posh restaurant while publicly asking for restraint. Shítty double standards, but also depressingly common across the globe at the time.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭amandstu




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    To be fair to Elder , whilst he did start the "Voter Fraud" guff even before the election actually happened , he did concede pretty early and with reasonably good grace.

    Which is more than can be said of Katlyn Jenner who went off on one having garner less than 1% of the vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    My understanding of the recall system is if the recall is successful then whoever gets the most votes wins. So a governor could lose with say 49% on the recall and his replacement might only get 20% of the vote for governor. Whoever came up with that system if my understanding is correct is an idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,337 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    What you wrote @salmocab is also my understanding of how the California system works, and like you I can’t understand how this system is good. Firstly, I’m of the belief that a politician should be held accountable at the scheduled election(which is next year in California btw) and not at the whim of their opponents. Secondly, the fact it’s a simple majority for the highest office in a state such as California again strikes me as ridiculous. And despite some of what I’ve listened to, the win for the democrats, doesn’t mean trumpism is gone away. Trumpism whether the democrats want to admit it is here for the foreseeable future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The recall system is fine and rarely used. Those sulking about it I assume were dead quiet when it was used on Scott Walker.

    Elder should not have been on the ballot, black boomer Trump is not a good fit for California.

    Its a reminder how skilled Manchen, Collins, Hogan etc are winning elections they have no right to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hcf500


    Just came across this clip of President Biden. Its only 50 seconds long. Well worth a watch. Its easy to understand where his passion come from when defending lgbtq+ rights. If Joe was president instead of tramp, we would have far less bigotry in todays society. Truly moving




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The recall system is just objectively appalling. That a sitting governor can be "recalled" is not the issue, that they can receive 49% support and be replaced by someone with 20% is the clear and obvious issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,542 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    LOL

    A certain Mrs Merton might have asked "What first attracted you to the millionaire Donald Trump?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,935 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Joe is President. But it's like clearing up after a car accident. The accident only took a few seconds, it can take hours to clear the road.

    I objectively detest the former guy but I wouldn't refer to him in that way, it's only giving ammo to his supporters here and justification for them to use derogatory comments elsewhere.



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