Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

The discerning thing for US voters to do then would be to ignore the liar and all his publicity efforts, deny him air. The snag is each state has its own GOP party and as long as he is allowed to use it for his own benefit state by state at the personal gain whim of the local GOP politicians and media buffs, he'll be around for a while yet. As for getting a chance to successfully run as the GOP contender for 2024, that's up to his enemies to scupper.

Another way of stopping him is to keep making links between him at a personal level of misuse of campaign funds, convince the funders [private and party] he's just into the bid for election to con money out of them for personal use and to pay off debts he's run up unconnected to either of his campaigns. Just keep publicising all the charities he's allowed his name to be directly linked to which have been proven to be awash with illegalities to misuse the donations given them. He's not the only person capable of tailoring information to suit a purpose - Crooked Hillary - sling enough mud and crank him up to a public eruption on something before the courts, preferably the USSC. All's fair in politics, as he's proven with his style.

He will win the primary easily enough, but unsure about an election.

The GOP will hope he steps aside but he won't , he needs the attention and corporate media who are hugely reliant on Trump to prop up their dying mediums will boost him with huge coverage as they did in 2016. I seen the abysmal Ric Wilson celebrate on twitter when linking to a story about him running. Why was that?

The "Anti Trump" online presence relies on him for fundraising , exposure etc. It is utterly insane that these people will say " Trump is the greatest threat to democracy in the last 50 years" but then keep him relevant and goad him into running when ultimately due to the American way of voting he will always have a sizable chance of winning.

The GOP will get online because they are terrified of him, he raises loads of money and bar the obnoxiousness online he governs exactly like how they want him to.

I do think DeSantis would have won easily enough in 2024, but he obviously won't run when Trump announces and he is playing to much to the Trump base in last few months when previously he seemed to be much more focused.

A Trump v Biden part 2 is hell, but its what the USA deserves.

News coming out that Melanias chief of staff has written a book about her four years working for the Trump administration.

"She saw another side of the Trumps — in the residence — that most staffers never got to see."

Grisham's former West Wing colleague tells Swan: "There isn’t enough water on earth to contain the fire she could set to all of Trump world, including parts like the first lady’s orbit, which not many people are in a position to illuminate."

Could be an interesting read, Will she shed new light on how bad Trump was or will it just be the stuff we already know?

We're not too far away from the point where he will effectively shut down investigation in to him through announcing that he is running as anyone who goes after him then will be accused of being politically motivated.

Of course it shouldn't happen this way, that is not to say it won't. I wouldn't be surprised either if he has some deal with senior GOP to keep in the running and maybe step aside then on the basis that they will again try to protect him from prosecution. It works for the GOP as it keeps the 74M on side for now and doesn't expose a frontrunner too early.

One thing we know Trump isn't doing is doing any sort of work to advocate for his supporters or America in general. He isn't visiting areas affected by Covid, or storms or anything to express concern and support. Nor is he encouraging his followers to protect themselves by getting vaccinated. He hinted at that at one of his rallies and they booed the suggestion so he probably won't go there again. He is doing what he always did, thinking and acting only for himself. To think that people look at that and think he cares about the average American is one of the mysteries of our time.

I've seen a headline from TMZ on a facebook page and, given its wording, reckon it's an exaggeration of some quote from another source. Is TMZ a good source of news or a site built on exaggerated speculation?

The headline is to the effect that, when it come to a rally on Sept 18th in Washington by protestors supporting those being investigated and prosecuted, CPD officers are [for want of a better word] EXPECTED to be going to ask if they can use lethal force if necessary. Officials have allegedly told TMZ it'll be an "all hands on deck" occasion for CPD.

AP has reported that the fencing will be going back up in DC before the rally, which sounds to me to be a sensible precaution. I'm thinking that if the TMZ quote is correct, it might be an official leak intended to cool the ardour of any protestors on the 18th, to let them know there will be a degree of official preparedness for trouble that day unlike on the 06 Jan.

TMZ wouldn't be my choice for a reliable news source. Celebrity gossip type stuff.

This is what the former attorney to Trump was up to last night.

Note, the publisher of this Tweet, the pro-Trump, 'the election was stolen' New York Post.

And another thing to note from the party who tells people to respect the military above all else, this is what he said about currently active General Milley.

I was wondering after I initially saw the former mayor of New York City’s speech whether there was open bar because he was even less coherent than he’s normally been, and it seems he’s confirmed he drank at the event which was meant to be a solemn event for 9/11. I love the quotes what he denies he was drunk, or that he’s an alcoholic, by using the word functioning with the word alcoholic, and probably that proves his point.

What would make for good reading [IMO] would be listening to the response from the Chinese side of the conversation [if it was recorded] to Gen Milleys advance warning to them. It would be worrying for the Chinese to get such a call in the first place from Gen Milley "my president is flying off the handle because he lost the election and WE think you should know WE will be stopping any order from him taking precipitative actions". For the chairman of JCS to advise the other world player that Trump may go rogue is really bad. We'll have to see how the GOP in DC try to rebuff or destroy the image of their selected one going rogue on the world.

Vindman may have more than being a US true blue loyalist on his mind when he made the statement about Milley apparently supplanting a loyalty to any chain of command structure with that of loyalty to the US [on a greater good basis]. Vindman [according to Trump] had loyalties to Ukraine over those to the US [as represented by Trump] which he served a commissioned military officer like Milley. Vindman doesn't exactly have a love affair wit Russia [ala Putin] so it may conceivably have been on his mind that China may not have been the only nation-party that Milley contacted re his worries about possible angry Trump moves. I'd look at the China-N/Korea situation in respect of Trumps previous statements about N/Korea [as it's what is could be called a client-state of China]. It would be sensible if Milley also spoke to his opposite number in Russia to allay any Kremlin fears about Trumps stability, vis a vie the ongoing Russia/Ukraine situation, and allay any fears Russia might feel from its monitoring of the existing [then] sitting US president and his statements. Trump was simply a Wild Card back then with an unknown potential.

Just briefly off topic to say the edit option is the three little dots beside the post number on your own posts (you can't see it on other people's posts). You can edit for 24 hours.

What you wrote @salmocab is also my understanding of how the California system works, and like you I can’t understand how this system is good. Firstly, I’m of the belief that a politician should be held accountable at the scheduled election(which is next year in California btw) and not at the whim of their opponents. Secondly, the fact it’s a simple majority for the highest office in a state such as California again strikes me as ridiculous. And despite some of what I’ve listened to, the win for the democrats, doesn’t mean trumpism is gone away. Trumpism whether the democrats want to admit it is here for the foreseeable future.

LOL

A certain Mrs Merton might have asked "What first attracted you to the millionaire Donald Trump?"