Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) Mod warnings in OP

Widdensushi · 08-09-2021 06:43PM

Which one 🤔

brickster69 · 08-09-2021 07:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117864878#Comment_117864878

None. Maybe this one

byhookorbycrook · 08-09-2021 07:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117863505#Comment_117863505

No, it's not. Up to last week, the medical advice was that women who were less than 14 weeks' pregnant could not be vaccinated.

zippyp · 08-09-2021 07:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117864601#Comment_117864601

Time to change the protocol

zippyp · 08-09-2021 07:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117864805#Comment_117864805

well, if the asteroid is going to end the world, you might be as well off believing it was going to miss

History Queen · 08-09-2021 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117865132#Comment_117865132

I see the issue with disruption and the current protocol, but it should only be changed if safe to do so,not because it is inconvenient. I don't think close contacts should be allowed continue about their business without at least being tested, which I think is what is being suggested.

Marty Bird · 08-09-2021 08:38PM

I think it’s extremely import to change the close contact for schools, my little lad missed another month of school on top of the closures as he was deemed a close contact twice, zero symptoms and both times negative.

That would be one positive change they can make, I won’t hold my breath though.

anais · 08-09-2021 08:48PM

In my school, a parent notified us of a positive test result last Friday. Principal couldnt get through to hse... He told the e whole class to stay home Monday. Still no comms from the hse.

In England, you only stay home as a close contact if you have symptoms. In NIre they are calling for clarity as they are like us with their protocols, but have an enormous number of pupils isolating.

There must be a discussion around antigen testing at this satge. If it's good enough for concerts etc...

Out childrens' education needs more respect

History Queen · 08-09-2021 08:55PM

I'd be very happy for close contacts to be allowed go about their business oncethey have a negative test but I don't think that's what is being suggested. I think they're suggesting close contacts don't need to self isolate or test unless they have symptoms.

noplacehere · 08-09-2021 09:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117865372#Comment_117865372

Yeah as a VHR teacher now back in the classroom at HR with the vaccine, I’d not be massively happy about that to be honest. No test at all?

History Queen · 08-09-2021 09:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117865405#Comment_117865405

That's my understanding of what is being suggested based on what I heard on the radio today but quite possible that I'm wrong. Hope you're doing ok.

Beasty · 08-09-2021 09:26PM

Threads merged

Icyseanfitz · 09-09-2021 09:37AM

So leave confirmed close contacts back to school without a test is what's being discussed? What about those working in schools or the families of other children who might have someone at home unvaccinated, immune compromised, pregnant etc.? Are those people expendable at this stage?

josip · 09-09-2021 10:01AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117866663#Comment_117866663

I thought it was recommended for pregnant women to get vaccinated?

I've experienced less than 10 immune compromised people during my life, but every one of those were fastidious in the measures they took to protect their health and I assume it would be no different now.

'Expendable' is hyperbole.

Lumen · 09-09-2021 10:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117865372#Comment_117865372

Current advice (outside of schools) is that vaccinated close contacts don't need to test or isolate unless they have symptoms, in fact (anecdotally) the HSE won't actually refer for a test if you're a vaccinated close contact without symptoms.

Why should we have one rule for schools and another for the rest of society?

In any case, this year the schools aren't involved with contact tracing past the initial referral to the HSE, which the parents of the positive case have to consent to. They only pass on the details of the positive case, they don't provide the HSE with a list of contacts. After that they have no involvement, so if you are asked to isolate your child because the HSE has determined from interrogating the positive case that they are a close contact you can just ignore it with zero consequences.

That's my understanding anyway, happy to be corrected.

Icyseanfitz · 09-09-2021 10:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117866761#Comment_117866761

I know of many pregnant women foregoing the vaccine as it's a relatively unknown quantity with regards developmental and full term pregnancies.

09-09-2021 11:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117866871#Comment_117866871

The effect of covid on pregnancies is quite well known

godzilla1989 · 09-09-2021 12:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117866796#Comment_117866796

Well duh

We should have a different rule, because kids don't get sick and won't fill hospitals

Adults are protected by the vaccine and kids don't need protection

Get rid of this stupid isolating rule in schools, it makes no sense with all the adults vaccinated

Vaccines either protect us or they don't

Governemt are being anti-vax by not trusting the vaccines work

So little kids have to self isolate to protect old people that have a vaccine, that's supposed to protect them

Anyone defending this either has no faith in the vaccine's or just want's to keep this covid circus going

Icyseanfitz · 09-09-2021 12:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867086#Comment_117867086

And the effects after pregnancy into infancy, I suppose we have years of data on that do we?

Lumen · 09-09-2021 12:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867426#Comment_117867426

You've completely failed to understand my post. Try reading it again with rage mode off.

godzilla1989 · 09-09-2021 12:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867540#Comment_117867540

I failed to understand it, because it makes no sense in the real world from what I am seeing around me

My niece has been sent home for 2 weeks, because a child in 4th class was positive, this is happening everywhere, they are closing down classes in my town.

Why aren't the schools ignoring those self isolation guidelines then, if you say they can do without consequence?

What are you even suggesting?

Only the positives isolate, close contacts stay in school?

I agree they should do that, but they are not.

09-09-2021 01:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867569#Comment_117867569

How many 12+ year olds in 4th class?

godzilla1989 · 09-09-2021 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867660#Comment_117867660

Why do only 12+ go to school?

Lumen · 09-09-2021 01:31PM

@godzilla1989 I am describing the process in my kids secondary school, as explained to me by the principal. The school doesn't send home anyone, they're not even involved in identifying close contacts. Parents of positives are requested by HSE contact tracers to isolate their kids. I don't know what parents of close contacts are requested to do, and neither does the school, because it's not their problem, they just ask parents to follow HSE instructions. Once my kids are fully vaxxed (in a couple of weeks) if I get a call from a contact tracer I might just hang up, since nobody in the family will be unvaccinated and we always test when symptomatic, regardless of who we've been in contact with.

What I don't understand is whether the process I've described above is unique to my kids' secondary school, or all secondary schools.

godzilla1989 · 09-09-2021 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867745#Comment_117867745

Get you now Lumen, thought you were talking about all schools, not just secondary

They are sending primary kids home anyway, bit unfair to do that to them when they can't get vaccinated and don't get sick

Gonna take a brave government to give the go ahead to vaccinate 4 year olds

09-09-2021 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117867693#Comment_117867693

Under 12's aren't vaccinated its for vaccinated that the guidance is not to isolate when contacts unless symptomatic.

godzilla1989 · 09-09-2021 03:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117868190#Comment_117868190

Isnt that a bit stupid no?

Covid zero strategy for young kids but old fat vaccinated people can do as they like

shesty · 09-09-2021 03:37PM

It's beginning to get.... not stupid, but probably illogical - for primary schools.

The test centres are overflowing with kids right now who either have colds or who are being sent home as close contacts. I understood this sending home was to prevent community spread and classroom spread, last year. Now I honestly don't know what it is for. We can't keep sending classes of kids home for 2 weeks at a time, part of the point of the lockdowns in the last 12 months was to try not to disrupt education. Here we are opening up society but still sending droves of kids home to sit for 10 days at a time doing nothing, just in case.

It does have to be looked at. I appreciate kids aren't vaccinated and are unlikely to be any time soon, so with that in mind we probably do need to reconsider what we are doing. Exactly what we suggest though, I am not sure.

godzilla1989 · 09-09-2021 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117868621#Comment_117868621

What I don't get

Covid is incredibly contagious and we are all supposedly gonna get it, but I know loads of people who have had flu symptoms these last 2-3 weeks and covid test was negative for them all

How can they all be sick from common cold, flu etc when covid is way more contagious? You'd think Covid would outcompete all them

Most school kids are testing negative, 95% of the population are testing negative and alot of them have symptoms

But no flu is going around and I don't know of any other virus going around

Makes you think

sekond · 09-09-2021 04:18PM

We got a communication from our child's school today clarifying rules on when/when not to send children to school, apparently based on a recently updated communication from the HSE. Which was fine, and useful in clarifying exact requirements. Except for the last section, which said that any child who had been abroad could not come to school for 14 days, and must self isolate at home for those 14 days along with all adults that had travelled with the child. Which seems to go completely against all other public health advice - and could in theory mean that self isolation rules are different depending on whether you have children or not! It's completely irrelevant to me - we aren't planning on going overseas in the next while, but seems very odd - and I certainly know parents who would decide that as that "seemed wrong" they'd ignore the rest of the requirements in the message.

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Schools and Covid 19 (part 5) Mod warnings in OP