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F1 2021 Round 13: Dutch Grand Prix

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I would love it if Bottas pitted now just to piss Mercedes off 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Bottas complaining of vibrations now,

    They surely won't be pitting him until Max and Lewis catch and pass.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    20 laps on the soft so 30 on the mediums and lower fuel should be pretty easy to do. Bit of interest coming up to the stops, Verstappen will need a full 2 second gap to stay out the extra lap. If there's a gap to pit into I think the sensible thing would be to get in around lap 45. Would leave enough life in the tyres and time to catch Hamilton if they somehow could go to the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭lolie




  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trouble with leaving Bottas out now is he'll have no way to interfere around the time of the 2nd stops.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Bottas should grow a pair and look after himself today, the team have dumped him and he has to put himself first and try and finish the highest that he can instead of being a rear gunner for Hamilton.

    Anything else or deciding to not do the above, suggests that he's too submissive to ever make the grade and I don't like to see weakling drivers like that.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Hamilton closing now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    All very interesting, Sky of the opinion that Max is dropping off to avoid catching Bottas and bringing him into it like Mercedes want.

    The radio comments not telling the full story as usual.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I think Max is sandbagging and will continue do do so for as long as he can.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Haha

    "so this is for the race win so you are defending"

    The race win for Lewis you mean.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Perez completed yet another pass. Great to see.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Bottas has been told he is defending for the win.

    Think we all know what that really means.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Yes!!!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Good to see Bottas bothered to defend against Hamilton and instead let him through.

    Guy is a loser, always has been. Far more interested in being submissive and facilitating other drivers than actually finishing as high as he can. He should have stood up for himself, but he never has.

    Good look with Alfa Romeo having a certified looser as their team leader next year. Have to feel sorry for whoever his team-mate is next year who has someone who doesn't have any fight who is senior.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    He is the number two and it is a team sport. What do you expect?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The team couldn't give a damn about him, he could have decided that since he is getting dropped, today he would do what is best for his future.

    Instead when push comes to shove, you always know with Bottas, that he has no backbone. At least Rosberg wasn't so submissive.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If Merc have any sense they'll have Bottas go quick so he'll be in front again after the next stops. He's safe for 3rd anyway so running long to the end is of little benefit.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Well he is predictable if nothing else. No wonder Hamilton wanted to retain him. I don’t expect Russel to be so submissive. That will be interesting. We will then see Hamilton’s true ability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    Mercedes really have zero sense of decency or sportsmanship. It’s always been a team sport and teams have always let the lead driver through when required, but I can’t think of any situation, whether Massa or Rubens or whoever, where the team so routinely sacrificed the number 2 driver entirely at the altar of interfering with their rivals and avoiding a fair fight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Hamilton jumps in,

    It is hard to know what to believe with all these mind games on the radio.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    If Mercedes wanted to give Bottas a chance of winning this race they’d have put him on Hards, so he could go to the end, rather than Mediums for pace to interfere with Max.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    So Max has came out good with that one,

    Other than being on hard tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Merc bad time to pit there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    That's what I'm saying about the radio mind games,

    redbull telling Max to cane it as they are going to pit him, then Mercedes rolled the dice to try and benefit from an undercut.

    Lewis not happy coming out into traffic, but there is still the tyre issue - Max already asking questions about the Hard compound and the answer was it is a decent tyre on the Ferrari



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    There is a risk that Mercedes will have a pace advantage on the mediums. Hopefully the hard will come good towards the end of the race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    More of the Mercedes mind games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Lewis not happy with the tyre choice.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Yep both have been at it all race with the mind games.


    Lewis does sound pissed off now though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    He's such a whine Lewis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    Will have to listen to him cry on the radio for the rest of the race



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Durability over speed which sounds like a good call. Hamilton not happy with the tyre strategy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Wouldn't be a F1 weekend without Hamilton complaining about his tyres while putting in fastest laps.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭skipper_G




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I don’t understand why people believe Lewis when he rolls out the “we won’t be able to make it to the end” line. He’s doing fastest laps.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    It might be like the boy that “cried wolf” and this is the one time Hamilton is actually telling the truth.

    Normally I don’t believe anything he says.

    He is maintaining that 3 second gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Whoever is the tv race director is doing a great job today. we are seeing action from all through the field.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Don't think anyone believes it at this stage. He's like the boy who cried wolf in every single race about his tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    So if Merc and Lewis are considering a 3 stop,

    Does Max have any tyres there to copy it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Not a Grand Prix for the ages but has great repercussions for the drivers championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    It’s just this particular one I roll my eyes because we have multiple examples of him saying the same phrase and then he does things in a race that contradict his claim of his radio.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Funny thing is the more Hamilton whines the more he reduces the gap to Max.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    These radio messages are just ridiculous at this stage.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Bit unrealistic from Ricciardo’s race engineer there. Perez on fresh softs, Ricc on old hards. How’s he supposed to hold him off?



  • Registered Users Posts: 611 ✭✭✭redbuck


    Is the banter from Crofty and company more grating than usual today or is it just me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Perez buzzing, should be in that position in the first place with that car but.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Perez did Ricardo nicely there



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I wonder if they will pit Hamilton. What have they got to loose?



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