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F1 2021 Round 13: Dutch Grand Prix

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  • #202
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I would love it if Bottas pitted now just to piss Mercedes off 😀



  • #203
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Bottas complaining of vibrations now,

    They surely won't be pitting him until Max and Lewis catch and pass.



  • #204
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    20 laps on the soft so 30 on the mediums and lower fuel should be pretty easy to do. Bit of interest coming up to the stops, Verstappen will need a full 2 second gap to stay out the extra lap. If there's a gap to pit into I think the sensible thing would be to get in around lap 45. Would leave enough life in the tyres and time to catch Hamilton if they somehow could go to the end.



  • #205
    lolie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭lolie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849598#Comment_117849598

    If Mercedes leave him out he will interact.



  • #206
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trouble with leaving Bottas out now is he'll have no way to interfere around the time of the 2nd stops.



  • #207
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849627#Comment_117849627

    Bottas should grow a pair and look after himself today, the team have dumped him and he has to put himself first and try and finish the highest that he can instead of being a rear gunner for Hamilton.

    Anything else or deciding to not do the above, suggests that he's too submissive to ever make the grade and I don't like to see weakling drivers like that.



  • #208
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Hamilton closing now.



  • #209
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849638#Comment_117849638

    All very interesting, Sky of the opinion that Max is dropping off to avoid catching Bottas and bringing him into it like Mercedes want.

    The radio comments not telling the full story as usual.



  • #210
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I think Max is sandbagging and will continue do do so for as long as he can.



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  • #211
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Haha

    "so this is for the race win so you are defending"

    The race win for Lewis you mean.



  • #212
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Perez completed yet another pass. Great to see.



  • #213
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Bottas has been told he is defending for the win.

    Think we all know what that really means.



  • #214
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849652#Comment_117849652

    At least they are being honest.



  • #215
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Yes!!!



  • #216
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Good to see Bottas bothered to defend against Hamilton and instead let him through.

    Guy is a loser, always has been. Far more interested in being submissive and facilitating other drivers than actually finishing as high as he can. He should have stood up for himself, but he never has.

    Good look with Alfa Romeo having a certified looser as their team leader next year. Have to feel sorry for whoever his team-mate is next year who has someone who doesn't have any fight who is senior.



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  • #217
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849670#Comment_117849670

    He is the number two and it is a team sport. What do you expect?



  • #218
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849675#Comment_117849675

    The team couldn't give a damn about him, he could have decided that since he is getting dropped, today he would do what is best for his future.

    Instead when push comes to shove, you always know with Bottas, that he has no backbone. At least Rosberg wasn't so submissive.



  • #219
    [Deleted User]
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    If Merc have any sense they'll have Bottas go quick so he'll be in front again after the next stops. He's safe for 3rd anyway so running long to the end is of little benefit.



  • #220
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849681#Comment_117849681

    Well he is predictable if nothing else. No wonder Hamilton wanted to retain him. I don’t expect Russel to be so submissive. That will be interesting. We will then see Hamilton’s true ability.



  • #221
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    Mercedes really have zero sense of decency or sportsmanship. It’s always been a team sport and teams have always let the lead driver through when required, but I can’t think of any situation, whether Massa or Rubens or whoever, where the team so routinely sacrificed the number 2 driver entirely at the altar of interfering with their rivals and avoiding a fair fight.



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  • #222
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Hamilton jumps in,

    It is hard to know what to believe with all these mind games on the radio.



  • #223
    waynescales1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    If Mercedes wanted to give Bottas a chance of winning this race they’d have put him on Hards, so he could go to the end, rather than Mediums for pace to interfere with Max.



  • #224
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    So Max has came out good with that one,

    Other than being on hard tyres.



  • #225
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Merc bad time to pit there.



  • #226
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849710#Comment_117849710

    That's what I'm saying about the radio mind games,

    redbull telling Max to cane it as they are going to pit him, then Mercedes rolled the dice to try and benefit from an undercut.

    Lewis not happy coming out into traffic, but there is still the tyre issue - Max already asking questions about the Hard compound and the answer was it is a decent tyre on the Ferrari



  • #227
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    There is a risk that Mercedes will have a pace advantage on the mediums. Hopefully the hard will come good towards the end of the race.



  • #228
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849715#Comment_117849715

    Spot on.

    Shaping up to be a good finish.



  • #229
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    More of the Mercedes mind games.



  • #230
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Lewis not happy with the tyre choice.



  • #231
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849728#Comment_117849728

    I would take that with a large pinch of salt.



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  • #232
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849732#Comment_117849732

    Yep both have been at it all race with the mind games.


    Lewis does sound pissed off now though.



  • #233
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    He's such a whine Lewis.



  • #234
    shanec1928
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849728#Comment_117849728

    Will have to listen to him cry on the radio for the rest of the race



  • #235
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849709#Comment_117849709

    Durability over speed which sounds like a good call. Hamilton not happy with the tyre strategy.



  • #236
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Wouldn't be a F1 weekend without Hamilton complaining about his tyres while putting in fastest laps.



  • #237
    skipper_G
    Registered Users Posts: 14,648 ✭✭✭✭skipper_G


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849746#Comment_117849746

    Bono my tyres are dead!

    *sets fastest lap*



  • #238
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I don’t understand why people believe Lewis when he rolls out the “we won’t be able to make it to the end” line. He’s doing fastest laps.



  • #239
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849734#Comment_117849734

    It might be like the boy that “cried wolf” and this is the one time Hamilton is actually telling the truth.

    Normally I don’t believe anything he says.

    He is maintaining that 3 second gap.



  • #240
    Tzardine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,884 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Whoever is the tv race director is doing a great job today. we are seeing action from all through the field.



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  • #241
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849754#Comment_117849754

    Don't think anyone believes it at this stage. He's like the boy who cried wolf in every single race about his tyres.



  • #242
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    So if Merc and Lewis are considering a 3 stop,

    Does Max have any tyres there to copy it?



  • #243
    flazio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,249 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Not a Grand Prix for the ages but has great repercussions for the drivers championship.



  • #244
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117849763#Comment_117849763

    It’s just this particular one I roll my eyes because we have multiple examples of him saying the same phrase and then he does things in a race that contradict his claim of his radio.



  • #245
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Funny thing is the more Hamilton whines the more he reduces the gap to Max.



  • #246
    ctrl-alt-delete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,292 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    These radio messages are just ridiculous at this stage.



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  • #247
    waynescales1
    Registered Users Posts: 2,187 ✭✭✭waynescales1


    Bit unrealistic from Ricciardo’s race engineer there. Perez on fresh softs, Ricc on old hards. How’s he supposed to hold him off?



  • #248
    redbuck
    Registered Users Posts: 611 ✭✭✭redbuck


    Is the banter from Crofty and company more grating than usual today or is it just me?



  • #249
    ASOT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,739 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Perez buzzing, should be in that position in the first place with that car but.



  • #250
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Perez did Ricardo nicely there



  • #251
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,602 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    I wonder if they will pit Hamilton. What have they got to loose?



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