Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

ancapailldorcha · 02-09-2021 04:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838655#Comment_117838655

It's the standard crybullying tactics. They're happy with all sorts of abusive behaviour and disinformation when it suits them but if you question it you're attacking them somehow.

circadian · 02-09-2021 04:39PM

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I thought we (we as in, the average everyday person who doesn't give a **** about culture war cack) were supposed to be the snowflakes, no?

silliussoddius · 02-09-2021 04:43PM

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Sorry, it' us simp-beta-cucks that can't handle criticism. I'll edit my comment post haste so the manly men don't get offended and don't have to rush off to some reddit echo chamber.

02-09-2021 04:46PM

Notwithstanding his expensive cocktail of drugs a good case of Long Covid would soften his cough

(can appear up to 6 months later in even asymptomatic cases)

I wonder if he would be going on Instagram to tell all his bros about that?

silliussoddius · 02-09-2021 04:48PM

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Sorry, but f* those people who promoted skepticism about masks and vaccines, yes they have families but they are also influential and people may take them seriously and suffer the consequences. The worse thing about this pandemic is that so much doubt has been sown from conspiracy theorists, that when a virus with a much higher fatality rates comes alone we'll be stuck with all this nonsense which will have disastrous consequences. And of course then it won't be an overblown hoax, but instead the elites out to cull everyone.

Agent Coulson · 02-09-2021 04:57PM

Rogan knows his audience and they made him a multi millionaire it's same drone audience Trump and Fox News chase and that audience have made them all very rich at their own long term expense.

Royale with Cheese · 02-09-2021 05:03PM

I'm surprised he didn't tell his fans the best way to combat covid was to learn jiu jitsu, it seems to be his solution to everything.

ohnohedidnt · 02-09-2021 05:33PM

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Joe had Rhonda Patrick on the show recently and she completely disagreed with him on vaccines, but she was invited on and opposing views were given a platform.

Thats a hard thing to come by these days. Some would prefer shows likes Joe Rogans didn't exist, so that the only opinions anybody ever heard were opinions they agree with.And he's incredibly popular because of those type of people. You can get banned from Facebook, twitter, YouTube for saying something thats entirely factually correct, but might hurt somebody's feelings.

When you ban people who disagree with you, they don't suddenly agree with you, they go elsewhere to discuss topics that they want to talk about, and you end up with two echo Chambers and a tonne of confirmation bias on both sides. Joe Rogans show is actually refreshingly in the middle in my opinion, both sides are given a platform on a whole range of topics. Joe's opinion, which he's entitled to are that vaccines for the young and healthy are unnecessary, everyone seems pissed off that he didn't get sicker and because he used ivernectin.

Ivermectin is a personal choice, so are all the other things Joe took, it shouldn't matter to anybody what drugs another person takes, the US has huge fatality rate from a whole host of drugs, why is everybody getting so upset about people taking anything now?

Not everybody is afraid of covid, not everybody wants to take the beloved vaccine, for some people that might mean they die, just like drinking, driving smoking and being obese will kill some people who took the vaccine. It's nobody else's business at this point, no need for everybody to get so emotional about it.

godzilla1989 · 02-09-2021 05:43PM

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Your a retail pharmacist or hospital, your view will be narrow looking at seriously ill or do you see on set of symptoms in retail enviroment?

What evidence? Did you prescribe them at on set of symptoms like GP's? What experience do you have with those cocktails?

If your hospital pharmacist your using IV treatments for Covid like remdesivir, monoclonal antibodies?

Why did you single out Ivermectin and not the rest?

No my local GP prescribes a mixture of Ivermectin, doxycycline, amantadine and a nasal steroid spray, no need for internet.

Curious what would you prescribe for early treatment, nothing?

If not, why do we let people get sick enough to go to hospital before getting medical treatment.

Interested to hear your thoughts here, nice to have a pharmacist on here to talk to

02-09-2021 05:48PM

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Pharmacists don't prescribe normally no?

An Irish doctor prescribing Ivermectin?

Brian? · 02-09-2021 05:51PM

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That’s exactly his shtick.

He promotes nonsense, gives air time to bigot and then says “hey, I’m only a comedian . Why would you listen to me”

02-09-2021 05:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838930#Comment_117838930

Rogan has a large influence

He knows very well that by promoting Ivermectin (yes saying that he took it and is now well amongst other things is promoting it) that he will encourage people to take it

Prescription Drugs are very expensive in the US.

People have been ordering veterinary products containing Ivermectin so much so that the FDA had to come out with a campaign "You are not a horse"

They won't be able to get monoclonal antibodies but they might well be able to get horse paste

Rogan knows exactly what he is at here and it's irresponsible at best.

Brian? · 02-09-2021 06:06PM

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he has bigots on and doesn’t challenge their bigotry.

He has plenty of other people on, but this is my problem with him.

ancapailldorcha · 02-09-2021 06:08PM

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Yep. It's just another flavour of Jordan Peterson's mealy-mouthed nonsense and then backs away from what they said when challenged. No sense of conviction except to grifting.

ohnohedidnt · 02-09-2021 06:11PM

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Yeah and the TV commercials promote the use of amphetanines for night shift workers (Nuvigil), and opiods for basically everything up from a grazed knee.

People making decisions about what drugs to take have to put their big boy pants on and come to their own conclusions. Ivermectin is not approved, but there might be something to it, it just hasn't been tested properly yet.

I promise you Fentanyl and oxicodone will kill far more people this year than Ivermectin, so let's not get too hung up on Ivermectin, who cares who tries it, it's a personal choice.

02-09-2021 06:13PM

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you've just spouted a load of irrelevant whatabouterry about other drugs - completely irrelevant to the point in question

and Ivermectin has actually been tested, and shown to be ineffective

Ivermectin has repeatedly failed in several clinical trials so far to provide any statistical evidence of efficacy

A recent review of 14 ivermectin studies, with more than 1,600 participants, concluded that none provided evidence of the drug’s ability to prevent Covid, improve patient conditions or reduce mortality. Another 31 studies are still underway to test the drug.

“There is great interest in repurposing well-known inexpensive drugs such as ivermectin that are readily available as an oral tablet,” Maria-Inti Metzendorf and Stephanie Weibel, the authors of the review, said in an email to The Times. “Even if these circumstances seem ideal, the results from the available clinical studies carried out so far cannot confirm the widely advertised benefits.”

One of the largest trials studying ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment, called the Together Trial, was halted by the data safety monitoring board on Aug. 6 because the drug had been shown to be no better than a placebo at preventing hospitalization or prolonged stay in the emergency room. Dr. Edward Mills, a professor at McMaster University who led the study, which enrolled more than 1,300 patients, said the team would have discontinued it earlier were it not for the level of public interest in ivermectin.

“The data safety person said, ‘This is now futile and you’re offering no benefit to patients involved in the trial,’” Dr. Mills said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/health/covid-ivermectin-prescriptions.html

Carfacemandog · 02-09-2021 06:22PM

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Yeah, but there's a reason the US has only 34% more cases per capita than US yet has 700% higher deaths per capita, going by the current rolling 7 day average.

02-09-2021 06:35PM

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I don't think you managed to get out correctly what you were trying to say there.

EmmetSpiceland · 02-09-2021 06:37PM

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You’d need to augment that with some DMT.

02-09-2021 06:37PM

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That's not good enough. There is no room for conversation. Anything that doesn't align with the "progressive" left need to be completely erased or at least insulted and labelled far right or a bigot.

Rogan has had the most diverse range of guests on and allows them to speak, regardless of his opinion on the matter. That's what makes him so good. But apparently, people think that if THEY define someone else as a bigot, then that person should not be allowed to be heard.

How very liberal

Carfacemandog · 02-09-2021 06:37PM

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Cheers, the caps fecked me up!

USA has about 34% more cases per capita than Ireland, but about 700% more deaths per capita, based on 7 day rolling averages.

ohnohedidnt · 02-09-2021 06:45PM

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Some countries are using it, so there is obviously some dissent. My point is why does anybody care about what drugs other people are taking to fight an illness? It has no bearing on anybody else's life, people have been making bad drug decisions since drugs were discovered. Joe is also a big proponent of DMT and Weed, nobody is mentioning that.

For some reason people are getting defensive because they feel Ivermectin is some sort of challenge to to almighty saviour, the vaccine. When it is nothing of the sort, and is really sort of irrelevant, so why the focus on that?

Penn · 02-09-2021 06:57PM

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Oh sure, you can post actual testing and evidence, but Joe does "independent thinking" and really, isn't that the more important thing?

02-09-2021 06:58PM

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Imagine that was the logic for vaccines - " some people are using it, sure it's failed all the trials so far, but get the big-boy pants on"?

It actually deters a not inconsiderate gullible amount of people from getting vaccines because they believe in the unproven (all trials so far) ivermectin, which do work for preventing infection (less with Delta), cuts long covid risk (new 1 million person study out today), cuts drastically severe illness and death %

So it will get people severly ill and indeed kill people that way alone, and more than you think

It's also not completely harmless if taken in incorrect doses through non-human products and dubious internet sources are not a great source for medical drugs?

https://theconversation.com/thinking-of-trying-ivermectin-for-covid-heres-what-can-happen-with-this-controversial-drug-167178

Tork · 02-09-2021 07:02PM

People are being distracted by Ivermectin. It isn't clear one way or the other if it is effective as a standalone treatment. It is one of quite a cocktail of drugs that Rogan has been taking. He has obviously been quite ill or in danger of becoming so. Why is there no mention here of the monoclonal antibodies, prednisone (a steroid commonly used for respiratory illnesses) or the drips? No, let's all get obsessed with the horse paste. For all anybody knows, it's the more conventional medications which have been doing the heavy lifting and the Ivermectin is the placebo.

godzilla1989 · 02-09-2021 07:09PM

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I don't think he's a retail pharmacist

Yes some Irish doctor's do.

godzilla1989 · 02-09-2021 07:14PM

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Yes

Joe Rogan gets covid, takes some meds from a doctor and feels better. Good for him

But no it's Joe Rogan, bad man, anti-vaxer, stupid man, should have taken the vaccine, not ivermectin, that's poison, unless it's rebranded pfizermectin and will be all good then.

Anyway he successfully beat a disease he was almost certain to beat if he did nothing at all. Thus proving whatever he did works for most.

Instead media wish every unvaccinated person would die, because they blame the unvaccinated for covid still existing

Media is toxic

Carfacemandog · 02-09-2021 07:16PM

Here's a fair idea of how honest Joe "I don't like either party or candidate and am voting 3rd party" is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QMQrFO5loLM

Yeah, he definitely voted 3rd party... even Tim Dillon called bullshit on it there and then.

02-09-2021 07:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839267#Comment_117839267

that's more likely the case that is was the other drugs for sure given that Ivermectin has failed all trials so far

Ivermectin as you probably know well has become a huge focus point for the gullible and conspiracy theorists, and a big reason these sort of people don't go for vaccine

people are buying horse products containing Ivermectin (particularly in the US) instead of getting vaccines, thinking that it will prevent them from getting Covid and/or cure it

many won't be able to access or afford monoclonal antibodies but can order horse paste

more than you think will get badly ill and even die from Covid as a result, again in the US

the FDA ran a campaign "You're not a horse"

by promoting it like this Rogan has been really stupid and adds fuel to that fire

Brian? · 02-09-2021 07:18PM

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a classic the Dunne strawman.

I didn’t say they should be shut down. I said they should be challenged. I happen to believe in absolute free speech. This includes telling people they’re wrong and challenging bigots for making bigoted statements.

As I’ve explained to you many times, I’m not a liberal. I’m an extremist.

Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

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