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Coveney claims to have previously been hacked.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,512 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    First the Foreign Affairs committee will ask Simon AGAIN to clarify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,184 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Well fair play to the bould Simon on doubling on his claim. Not only was the device hacked, it was used to forward messages too.

    Implicit in that claim is the fact that remote control of the device was exercised either via script or push. The personal device of the Minister for Defence and Foreign Affairs executed uncommanded actions.

    This compounds the error of deleting messages and further highlights this as a matter of National Security.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    The committees basically do nothing only buy time. Any its good enough for us we have a cozy cartel of 3 parties and to be honest that is what we deserve.... So its the job of a committee to ask the Government questions. It reminds me of the parish GAA AGM.....

    I just read now that Cowan who is in Government is now asking Leo to sort it out, Cowan was sacked as minister and he is now doing the job of opposition parties... i am not really interested but whats going on here....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Can only thank the lord that we do not have any weapons such as missiles or some such in this country when the Minister for Defence claims his Phone was hacked and was being controlled by someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,559 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    It wouldn't prevent a hacker reading new messages received on an already compromised phone, but it might make it difficult for them to access the previous couple of years' history of messages on a newly compromised phone. My company forces regular deletion of local emails for similar reasons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,815 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    The absolute state of this post. The Irish State was literally hacked just 2 months ago and the entire HSE IT system crashed because of it. It was fully acknowledged by the State that they were hacked and reported on by the media for weeks on end. So much for your "standard procedure". The US reports on attempted hacks of its IT systems all the time, its all there in the Mueller report if you want to gain some knowledge on the subject.

    Really marko if you dont know what you're talking about its better to just keep your mouth shut rather than just go making stuff up which is patently and provably untrue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,461 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    In any company I have worked in ,mainly IT, it is beaten into you on day one about security and reporting security as soon as they are known about to the relevant people/departments and failure to do could result in termination of employment and this every single department no just the IT department. It would be shocking to hear that the Government and Civil Service do not have similar protocols in place at all levels. Now there is a difference on whether the company then makes the security breach public knowledge but as for individual employee's there is no option but to report the security breach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Have the rangers been deployed to find the hackers yet?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    From the info Leo made available its clear that there was a cozy little arrangement set-up for Ms Zappone. They are all in it together....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,815 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Well I think that depends who the hacker is. The Pegasus software available for sale by an Israeli company can send texts/emails/Whatapps direct to the hacker in real time, this all came out just a few months ago when Saudi Arabia were caught phone hacking Saudi journalists who are in exile around the world. Jeff Bezos also had his phone hacked using that same software so if it can happen to him via an end to end encryption service like Whatapp then it can happen to anyone. Also when a text message is deleted it isnt truly deleted. Theres going to be metadata behind it that can be unscrambled, again this would be a straight forward task for an intelligence agency using the phone hacking software that is available to them.

    In your own case you're talking about your company protecting against corporate espionage, the phone hacking software available to those spooks wouldnt be as high level as the software that is available to government intelligence agencies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Can someone please tell me if i understand this correctly. I am of the understanding that his phone was hacked some time ago and because of this he deleted conversations around the time of this appointment of Ms Zappone.

    Is this correct....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    It was mentioned earlier on Virgin Media News that Coveney claimed he was hacked last Summer. If this is the case, why has it taken a year to announce this?

    If Coveney's iPhone was hacked, it won't matter when he deleted his texts as once they arrive on his phone they will be compromised.

    It is also worth noting that if his phone was checked, will only recent texts be found ? and if not it will show that he deleted texts that he wanted nobody else to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    The pertinent question that journalists need to try and get to the bottom of now, is when the Zappone texts were deleted. Was it before or after the poo hitting the fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    The dates and times of the texts he would have sent to Ms Zappone cannot be deleted, i always thought networks kept the content of texts for a time from a few court cases in recent years but it may be dates/time which may fit into the jigsaw....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,512 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Michael Martin claims he knows nothing about this plus if this is true its no reason to delete texts on his phone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hmmmm


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    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭bmc58


    From what I have heard he got a "phishing e mail or message" (which most of us have gotten.But his spin doctors have twisted this to him being hacked,which is rubbish.These boys really are taking the Irish people for fools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,512 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    Phishing isn't a hack in the true sense of the word though afaik.

    And if he reported this to Gardai and security people, who advised him that deleting texts would do any good?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Also nowhere in that article does it say his phone was attacked just that Coveney's name is used in a phishing attack



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Deleted texts in July* 2021, (*actually we're still waiting for clarification on when the texts were deleted) because of a targeted phishing email? Think most of us have gotten a phishing email/text at some point in our digital lives, targeted does not = successfully targeted, and targeted phishing emails do not = being "hacked".

    Who will they get to check Simon's phone? Be interesting to see when he deleted the texts, was it before or after this whole thing blowing up publicly, and what other texts were deleted, presumably he'd have deleted all texts - because if if was just a few text threads, say from Katherine and Leo discussing the envoy role and the Merrion gig.... That will look phishy to say the least.

    I think (personally) that Leo's political career was already drawing to a conclusion anyway (with the leaking thing etc) and now Coveney is about to follow suit and be dragged down with him. Potentially leaving FG without a leader and a deputy leader too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Well, we can ask the Gardai now, can't we?

    "Explaining why he clears his text messages regularly Simon Coveney said his phone was compromised in 2020.

    "What is not known is that some of my foreign minister colleagues across Europe were contacted using my phone's identity as a front during the hack incident," he said.

    The Minister said the matter was dealt with by his department and the gardaí.

    "As a result of this incident and others, I work on the basis that very few telecommunications are completely secure," he said."

    You are at least the second poster today who is going to have to back down on his calling someone a liar. Of course he was going to pretend it wasn't a hack initially, why would you want to draw attention to a breach of national security?

    Your post is another example of the overdramatic reaction and melodrama around this issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,229 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    "Of course he was going to pretend..."

    🤣

    You are a hoot Blanch! Classic stuff. The dog on the street knows he is telling porkie pies! He'll have to spin some more at the next committee!

    Liar liar pants on fire!

    😜

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Possedion


    Wonder if the appointed KZ would be able to share simons exchanges. She probably was hacked as well. Lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,324 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    A post-high on the emotion but it falls down on fact and reason.

    Take this bit

    "Deleting text messages is of little consequence if a phone is hacked, it doesnt make a jot of difference."

    Of course, it makes a difference. Two scenarios

    1) Coveney gets a new phone in January to be used as his work phone as Minister, keeps all data and messages on it. The phone gets hacked in September and has access to all new and all historical data on the phone.

    2) Coveney get a new phone in January to be used as his work phone as Minister. Deletes data older than 2 weeks, every fortnight. The phone gets hacked in September and has access to all new data and 2 weeks old historical data.

    Which one is the bigger breach and what action from a security point of view is more prudent?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,324 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Just look up the details on the Jeff Bezos phone hack, which has never been offically confirmed by Amazon or Jeff Bezos himself and they certainly have not released into the public domain the exact in's an out of what exactly happened and security measures they undertake now.

    I never knew that this forum was populated by so many Cyber Security experts!!🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,324 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Some Irish journalists are the pits.

    I heard a few of them, angry out, jumping up and down on 'Why THEY were not told about the phone hack and given every single detail possible, and that yesterday was the VERY first time they heard about it.....'

    Clearly, they didn't do much searching as a year ago, in one of Ireland's best-selling newspapers, there is an article giving them information on what happened.

    I personally think some in the media are suffering from a kind of post Covid era trauma, where we all want to get back to normal, but some in the media want to be the high priest of doom, gloom, and outrage. Melodrama is right!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,324 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    But but but.... its not a hack.....

    Tell us all, when did your family get phone calls or text messages that were apparently from your phone, but were actually someone else?

    Or even more extreme.

    Tell us, when did your boss or people you work with, in levels of important decision-making roles get a text or phone calls from your number, but it wasn't actually you?

    Now escalate it to the State level where ministers of Foreign Affairs get phone calls or texts from another minister, but it's not them...

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    .

    .

    I hope that puts to bed that it was indeed a very serious incident, which WAS reported to the Gardai at the time.

    He is 100% right though, no IT system or phone is 100% secure. All one can do is take measures to make it as difficult as possible for nefarious perpetrators to gleam relevant data from your device or system.

    Getting a new phone every year is one such measure. Deleting old data off it is another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Why tell such an easy to prove wrong lie such as this? The German's flagged Merkel's phone hack and other politician to half of Europe. Try lie less please.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/german-authorities-seek-irish-help-over-very-serious-data-hack-1.3747636



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  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The lies ffg tell, at this stage are hilarious🤣



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