Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

#McgahanOut

David Clifford seems a few pounds over for an elite level footballer. I know he is still young and played brilliantly but just a point of note for S&C.

Sean o Shea is completely flat footed and could do with the help of a good technical running coach. Again I don’t know how this hasn’t been spotted and fixed.

Mike Breen has the frame to become an intimidating defender if developed properly and possibly a future CB.

While he had a good game Tom O Sullivan is still a bit light even in comparison to White and Begley who got a bit stronger and faster to be fair to them.

Beating a hasty retreat out of Dublin this morning, christ what went wrong. From being at the match! The solution seemed as simple as "take your points". Must watch it when I get home. Again we failed to win a tight game. I was very angry after the game, cork 10 months ago and now Tyrone, it'll be interesting to see where we go from here

The Limerick hurlers are on S&G since 16 years of age. Problem.in Kerry we seem unwilling to scarifice a bit of speed/skill for strength. It's impossible to really up strength/ bulk in a year or two especially as players get older. You need to develop it from sub 20 years of age

We seem unwilling to pick average footballers that are 6'-6'4 and develop them as defenders. We seem to want to play wing forwards as wing and corner backs.

Looking at the selection decisions three to four player from Kenmare/Templenoe lost out positions it was as if it was felt there was too many if them on the team from two clubs that just entered the senior ranks. Fitzgibbon, Morley, Kllian Spillane, Crowley and Adrian Spillane seemed to be nearly relegated off the bench.

I taught all of these calls were very marginal 1-2 did not weaken but Crowley/ Murphy was definately a wrong call. Neither do I think necessarily putting Jason fullback or Ryan in goals strengthened the team. If the KS was an isolated call you could see the reasoning of holding him for coming on. But add the other calls in and you definitely have to question them all

If you read a few of my posts earlier I gave my analysis why we lost the game. I do not think I ever mentioned personnel. But I do think the way selection went since towards the end of the league has been a bit questionable. I think the blame for the result yesterday lies simply in that we tried to create goals instead of popping the ball over the bar, especially in the first half when we were winn every Tyrone kickout.

The best thing chairman Tim Murphy could do next week is drive north of Abbeyfeale up to Limerick manager John Kiely and his backroom team during the week and find out what modern S & C is needed to land All Irelands. (or atleast finish a 70 minute game without players cramping)

Or maybe try and find somebody like Carline Currid a top sports psychologist who could foster some mental steel into the squad.

The game has moved on something serious since Kerry last landed Sam in 2014.

The smallest man in Limericks half back line is Declan Hannon and he is 6 foot 2.

We need to have the best of the best backroom team available to be the best.

Couldn't Mayo say the same thing about the Connacht Championship? They have only one (sort of) meaningful rival, just like Kerry in Munster. Or, indeed, Dublin in Leinster. Most people would have predicted those three provincial champions back in the spring. It's a fairly lame excuse, really.

Maybe, maybe not. We'll see. Good to see you acknowledging that it was a lame excuse, though.

I don’t want to whole heartedly disagree with you because you make some valid points but they talked about Tyrones relentless running out of the defence and the speed of that transition from defence to attack on the Sunday Game.

Tyrones running during the 79mins of normal time was savage, Kerry’s put in the hard yards too.

Kerry cramping up in normal time didn’t look good and this is related to fitness and conditioning.

So if Peter Keane does go

Who should replace him?

Maurice Fitzgerald

Declan O Sullivan might be a. Option. He was with Jack O Connor over the minors fir a few years. Thomas O Se, Kiera. Donoghy. In a way the manager I'd not the most critical component. Look at Kiely with Limerick it's the people in the structure around him. His S&G coach is after going to Ulster Rugby, that ei tell you how good ther were to be be hunted by a professional sports team. Kinnerk top class coach was actually a football coach changed over to hurling.

The manager job is actually to manage the team and training structure. We need to look at coach, S&G, video analysis, stats, physiologist, backs coach etc etc. It's not a one man show.

Should not be someone from present management. They had there chance they blew it wrap up the tent and move on

It’s this type of thinking that has us where we are! Declan o Sullivan as manager, are you having a laugh! What coaching credentials has he got, none! Past top players don’t necessarily make top class managers. In the past the quality of our players have papered over our tactically naive managers.

As for Mcguiness, the man coached Donegal to an All Ireland in a defensive manner. I’d be quiet happy for Kerry to win one playing any way that works even if it goes against the Kerry ethos. The Kerry ethos isn’t getting us anywhere in the modern game and to be fair to the man his tactical knowledge and awareness is one of the best out there.If he breaks a few eggs along the way so be it, maybe it’s what is needed. You imply he would be too harsh, straight talking and arrogant for our players and I would say that’s exactly what they need. As implied on the Sunday game last night, they are a bunch of softies!

Talk of McGuinness shear nonsense lads and will never happen anyway so you can get that out of your heads.

I rewatched the match again yesterday and all this talk about how bad we were and how great tyrone were, didn't really hit me. First off I wonder how fit DC was even starting the game! Also everyone up there was saying how tyrone were so much fitter then is and we need to change our S+C regime. After tyrone pulled 5 ahead(thanks to J Barry having a houler) we were well well on top. And we started taking our points. We easily looked the fitter and stronger team then, they looked fairly spent. We brought it back to 2pts they pushed it to 3 and we came again to bring it to a single point. Then it was game management on the field that let us down with the wrong man taking on the scoring chance.

What galls me now is we lost a game that could have so easily been won, and yes some players had shockers, JB +DM were very poor, as was geaney overall. But the burden of this defeat must rest squarely on the line. And to hear PK after the game say "we missed our goal chances and they scored theres! And that's the story of the game", really angered me. He was like a man that thought we would rock up to a semi final and blow them away. Obviously the homework had not been done to the standard required by a management team. They must know now that they have left us down bad twice in 10 months. I hope they decide to do the right thing and realise its them that blew it and step aside. If they stay on! They could win an All Ireland next year but we run the risk of a third major blunder if they do.

Some plp here have been pointing out all year that some of pks decisions even in the big wins were suspect, PM starting at center back when runners down our center were the problem! I could go on.

I think Fitzmaurice is our current most tactically astute option, and i believe if he was in charge the last day, it would have been a different story. Yes he's monotone, but he's the manager not a coach. Like Kyle Hayes said after the hurling final when talking about there management, "you never see them, And that's the way they want it" .

We have some great servants to kerry football in that team and to think some have only 1 or zero all ireland medals is not good enough. Time for change for sure.

It's a disgrace nobody has mentioned that fella who coaches the rowing team down in skibereen. Obviously he's great at the S&C and we could do with a few lads "pulling like dogs". Those rowers are all big and strong, Kerry are persisting with small players so he'd be be a great man to fix that.

Jack O Connor seems to be interested in another stint.