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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭political analyst



    Luke O'Neill thinks primary pupils should be expected to wear masks because of the risk of them passing the virus on to parents and grandparents.

    But most adults are fully vaccinated and so pupils are unlikely to be infected this time around. Therefore, what O'Neill said doesn't make sense. He and other scientists haven't explained the rationale for masks at a stage when most adults are fully vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    So, no ban on intercounty travel yet?



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    At this point, it seems that all that can be done has been done. What else is there now other than to get on with life, using sensible precautions, but opening up.


    With all this talk of boosters later this year - I have a US based mate that has had 3 shots of Pfizer in first half of this year, and still got a bad dose (though not in hospital) of covid last month, which had him bed ridden for a few days. He said if that was what he got after 3 shots, he wouldn't have liked to see what would have happened if he hadn't been vaccinated. That said, it's a bit demoralising to hear people getting a bad dose after 3 shots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,156 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's nothing more than COVID theater to make O'Neill and his cohort feel a bit "safer". It certainly has no basis in science or reality.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    O'Neill has made some name for himself out of this.....flip flopping all the way through.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    As noted earlier low swabs so 1,293 new cases, 382 in hospital and 61 in ICU.



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    Well on the plus side the influenza virus is nearly extinct in these parts, as the hand hygiene and surface contact measures have likely had a huge impact on it, but they’re having far less effect on SARS-Cov-2 which is spreading like passive smoke.

    We are kidding ourselves if we don’t do something more serious about indoor air quality and where masks are needed, they should really be FFP2 grade filters. Otherwise, we’re doing a great job for minimising more traditional droplet transmission, and very little for suspended submicroscopic particles.

    For some reason, anyone who brings this up is ignored, as there’s a collective vested interest to want think this can be tackled with floor mops, Jayes fluid and Dettol approaches.

    The idea that it’s a somewhat intangible cloud of viral nanoparticles moving around like perfume though the air isn’t what anyone wants to hear, so they don’t listen.

    If we use the right tools, we can remain safely open and normal life returns. If we use group think and Boris / Trump style waffle approaches, we are going to be dealing with this for much longer than we should.

    The vaccine rollout has been phenomenally good and continues to be he world leading, but COVID isn’t going to disappear. We have to adapt our buildings and indoor environments to make us safe and let us be able to relax and forget about it. That likely means things like HEPA filters and air sterilisers becoming as normal as radiators and CO2 monitors / air quality indicators being as normal as thermostats on the wall.

    It’ll mean things like retrofitting of heat recovery ventilation in public buildings with large congregations too and just ensuring lots of air changes.

    It also means everyone being aware of what good ventilation is and how to manage it and identify problems.

    If we do that, combined with vaccines, we are basically home and dry.

    The alternative is hide behind Perspex screens and pointlessly disinfect clean surfaces and have unnecessary lockdowns to deal with something we could be filtering and diluting out of the air.

    We can’t really continue to crisis manage what is now a long term reality. We need to adapt and do so in a way that has minimal or zero impact on quality of life and functioning of society.

    This is reality now and we need to adapt and just make it work. There’s no point in either burying heads in sand or being depressed about it. Life is what you make of it and it can be just as good with a few tweaks to make indoors a lot safer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    7 day average is 1766 cases per day down from 1811 last Monday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,112 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    So, all Nphet's projections are proved to be wrong again?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    I think a lot of the measures are there to be seen to be doing something. Take my field, weddings, as an example. People on top of eachother all day (even before alcohol comes into the equation) but they ban live music because... well presumably so they can point to that as an additional safety measure when people ask why weddings are allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    So our offices been open since May.

    Offices around us also been open since before the summer.

    ”cabinet considering return to office on a phased basis from 20 September”

    Bit late I would have thought



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Won't the 2m thing have to go for offices to fill up?

    Is that being dropped?



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Ouch didn't age that well 😀 And he leaning into Ryan's face saying it was all about hand washing, not airborne. But hindsight is a great thing. (He may be an 'expert', but the whole world of experts was telling us to wash hands for 20 seconds, not hearing that anymore!).


    In fairness to him though, unlike many he is not a fearmongerer and has been for the most part trying to adopt a reasonably positive outlook. That's my take anyway.



  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    On the return to offices - I think it's a mistake for Govt. to be "deciding" when people can return to the office (albeit with employer discretion). They should maintain a position that staff can return if they need/want to, but that where the work can be done at home without detriment, that staff should be allowed continue remote working. It seems like they are setting the stage for an unnecessary increase in numbers going on public transport, simply because of the "allowed back decision". What's wrong with keeping advice that if you can work from home you should consider maintaining that for now if possible.

    On TWITTER - it seems to have taken over as the main, and sometimes only, outlet for Govt. to communicate on a daily basis. Less than half the country uses Twitter, possibly less. RTE now gets its news from Govt. tweets. There is something wrong when Govt., CMO, Head of HSE all are using a private service for their main comms. It wasn't that long ago that you'd be more likely to see links posted on twitter to statements made online or to the media. Now it's the other way around. And of course, this is all around the world. Whatever will they do if Twitter disappeared. (Apart from relish the extra couple of hours a day they will get back from not looking to see if they got liked!).

    I'm sure people will disagree with me on both points. The value of differing opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,112 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    382 COVID19 patients are hospitalised, of which 61 are in ICU



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    So October 22nd is Ireland's Freedom Day.

    This will prove difficult for the conservative people who don't wish a return to normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Think that was the week we went into our "Save Christmas" lockdown last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Why would it ? Anyone who doesn’t want to be out and about and in crowds doesn’t have to be ?

    People are entitled to assess their own risks and be as careful as the want to be



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Focus will move to a public inquiry into the handling of this pandemic. The decision to close construction surely looks ridiculous now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,370 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Because they wish to regulate other people's behaviour as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭.42.


    It’s more the people who don’t want to return to the office 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,278 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Roll on 22nd October



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    100% obviously I’ll have the mask issue continuing for me for the foreseeable but as long as we’re near normality I’ll get over it for the time being



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    By 22nd October we'll have ban on intercounty travel, never mind easing of the restrictions. Probably, we'll just start to save Christmas again in the lockdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,638 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    But why is no one counting the deaths of the old and vaccinated ?? It's like old people have stopped dying in this country, Cocoon 2.0 . Hundred of old people die every day, and they've all been vaccinated, yet the deaths per day are like 0 -0 -0-0- 1-0 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001000000000000000000


    Are they trying to hide the fact that those vaccinated are dying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,057 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So we are being told that parents should limit their social interactions for the first few weeks, as the kids go back to school, by Philip Nolan, yet we are being told to go back to the office on September 20th?

    Going back to the office will automatically increase your social interaction will it not?



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