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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I believe not every classroom will have a monitor and depending on school size there may be monitors shared between rooms, so they will have to be wheeled around.

    I honest to God do not know why we bother.Who comes up with these absolutely ridiculous ideas?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Friend in Berlin was telling me her daughter age 7 has to wear a mask all day in school and parents have to do three antigen tests on the child every week .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I am aware of several parents who were willing to actually put significant money into buying air filters for a school, but trying to find guidance on what to buy, or how to do it or get cooperative support is challenging to say the least.

    What’s coming across with many things is nobody wants to take responsibility. It’s likely Ireland’s sue! sue! sue! sue! sue! culture.

    I suspect that’s what behind the antigen testing issue too. If you provide a state funded test and the test isn’t 100% accurate and someone gets sick or dies, I guarantee you there’ll be a path beaten to Four Courts.

    Just to give you an example, I heard of a case here where a company removed an automatic defibrillator, because someone used it on someone who had a fatal heart attack (likely would have had a very high % chance of death anyway) and the company who installed the AED got dragged into a legal issue.

    So the response was to remove the facility entirely and never install anything like that again. That’s Ireland for you - if in doubt, sue!

    We then get paralysed in perfection or nothing type choices. Best efforts often don’t cut it legally here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,402 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    People keep assuming waves of covid start, peak and finish at the same time through the world. It doesn't. As you can clearly see, Ireland's peaks have been different.

    It seems to go Ireland peaks, then Bulgaria, then Romania and then Ukraine. I don't see why this will change all of a sudden.

    This can be seen when you look at Europe as a whole, the west seem to peak first followed later by eastern Europe.

    It's easy to see why the west seems interconnected, lots of travel between Ireland/UK/Spain/Portugal/France, I assume there's a similar pattern all over Europe with groups of countries all interconnected.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wheeled around? They’re the size of a central heating thermostat or a mobile phone.

    A CO2 monitor is a very small little device and they’re not particularly expensive either.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    Fair enough....which further highlights the question, why can't we have one in every room, and why they aren't already there...?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Inadequate budget, penny pinching on something cheap and essential while spending billions on things that are expensive and non essential? Slow tendering processes that seem to assume we’ve all the time in the world, legal issues, etc etc etc

    Basically a system that couldn’t organise a p%%% up in a brewery.

    They had nearly 3 months of school down time to get this done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    What the point of getting tested anymore? Covid is endemic now. Are you getting tested every time to find out what type of flu you have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    I'm beginning to think along these lines. I'd only do it if I was in contact with someone vulnerable or if required for travel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭_ptashek_


    @convolved wrote:

    I'm hearing some people saying they’ve been asked for information at Irish airports, and others saying they walked through without anyone checking anything. That’s not the case going into France or Spain for example, documents are being checked consistently.

    I've flown Poland <-> Ireland recently. Despite being officially required under threat of large fines or even jail time, border control on ether side never asked for any documentation, both going in and out. Landing in Dublin I've passed via the automatic gates, and Polish border guards literally told me to "bin it all" when asked if they need to see the paperwork.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989




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    There seems to be a lot of that. Systems seem to often be purely theoretical, which is why I think those international comparisons about harshness of restrictions and so on are utter nonsense, as they don’t actually look at reality on the ground. Plenty of places either have limited enforcement and monitoring of systems or have very poor compliance.

    Then we also have stats that aren’t comparing like with like on a range of issues around testing and cases. Some countries are patting themselves on the back with little justification for why that would be the case, others are wearing sack cloth and ashes and self flagellating and claiming to be the worst in the world (a popular Irish pass time).

    I’m still not seeing where patterns of behaviour here are leading to high case numbers. There appears to be a lot of very risk averse behaviour, yet the cases are still going up and are high. The self dialogue here is always “we are morons”, Ireland isn’t very high on the self confidence scale, so we aren’t doing proper public debate about why the figures are high, we are going into woe is me and extreme self criticism mode instead.

    We need to analyse what’s actually happening because we need to get to the bottom of why it’s happening.

    I also think we are increasingly not looking at the elephant in the room, which is exposure to the U.K. and U.K. figures are no longer appearing in European stats, which makes us look like we are the anomaly.

    Ireland, Spain, Portugal and to a large degree France, are highly exposed to what happens in the U.K. because of travel patterns and what is going on there is very much “you’re all vaccinated now. So get on with it. The government is bored of covid.”

    I really don’t trust the Tories response in England as, like the USA, it’s all about populist politics and a political philosophy that I really don’t think has been seen in the U.K. in modern times. It’s very much a mini-GOP.

    The U.K. is also trying to bury Brexit impacts and has complicated supply chain issues it doesn’t want to admit to. So it’s by far and away the oddest part of Europe when it comes to getting a clear view of what’s happening on COVID as it’s all in a rather unprecedented mess, even without the pandemic and you’ve had open hostility towards any kind of serious cooperative action with the European Union, even on Covid-19.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,402 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm not sure how you're reading it.

    It's a chart to highlight that Covid peaks at different times in different countries. People don't seem to understand why country X is peaking now but country Y has little cases. But it wouldn't be the first time when something is explained to you, you just miss it entirely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    Same as that, family and I have flown out of Ireland and onwards from Denmark, and at no stage did we need to actually produce negative pcr tests. Just verbal confirmations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    Your not reading it either buddy

    There are no waves, it's an ocean.

    We peaked 3 times and going for a 4th, they peaked twice, 3rd barely started in Poland Ukraine

    Look at Oct/Nov on our chart, we should have peaked then only for lockdown to stop it until we opened again in Dec to peak then

    Do you know what restrictions they brought into those countries and the dates?

    The waves are a result of restrictions, they are not natural infection waves, artificial one's caused by us interfering with lockdown measures

    If you have no restrictions it's not a wave, just an ocean like you see in Brazil where they live with and it's constantly high.

    Only rich countries get waves :)

    We will have restrictions to stop our 4th wave and then it will peak again later.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wouldn’t be into much of the whole Covid theatre measures, but our school hasn’t received our CO2 monitors either. Knowing the DoE, it’ll be Xmas when we get them.

    Thankfully we’ve an ancient school building, which even though lacking in a lot, it doesn’t lack ventilation..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And also Irish people might use butter or maybe even margarine to fake antigen tests, sure we couldnt be having that.

    No better to spend millions on PCR tests even though covid is now rampant in the population, surely we can ditch this testing now, its a waste of money now.

    Delta is so transmissable by the time you do a test you have infected everyone you have come in contact with.🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,013 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I heard someone talking on the radio about buildings that were built during the TB infections and that those buildings were built with TB in mind so they had high ceilings, plenty of ventilation and lots of windows that could be opened and that this should what is thought of now when designing buildings. Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to get rid of those darfty old schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭nc6000


    I was in the barbers recently and saw they were wiping everything down in between customers, nice to see the place being kept so clean but a waste of time when dealing with an airborne virus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    I disagree. Covid isn't going anywhere. We have to live with it and not 2 meters apart and masked for the foreseeable future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Similar number of tests today as last Monday, 200 less positive cases. Very weird to say it, but 1,368 positive swabs today is the lowest swab count since 4th August.

    There were some faint signs last week that cases might be starting to drop back down again ever so slowly. Be interesting to see how this week goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,722 ✭✭✭celt262


    The penny hasn't dropped with a lot of people yet that it is airborne and that is the main means of spreading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    1368 positive swabs, 9.75% positivity on 14,034 tests. 7 day test positivity is 9.3%. - Monday, August 30th 2021



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    According to the CDC there's 1 in 30,000 risk of surface transmission, and yet like most behaviours with no scientific basis, we persist with endless sanitising of hands and surfaces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    When today's numbers will be included, that will most likely the first time in a while that the 5day/7day and 14days average will be decreasing.

    Yesterday, the 5days average was decreasing, 7days increasing by 0.1% and 14days incidence rate increasing by 0.3%

    It will be interesting to see when the leaders will stop using the rhetoric that the case numbers are increasing, when the last 14days are stable compared to the 14days before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Went for my first Covid test today with my little fella. We were staying with family in the UK for the past week, and developed coughs last Wednesday. We could have got tested in the UK but as we were staying with family there was no way we could have effectively isolated with them - plus spending an extra two weeks there would have vastly increased the chances that we would have infected them. So we took the executive decision to travel home yesterday (the day we had planned to travel) and get tested here instead.

    I probably wouldn't have bothered going for a test myself if it wasn't for the fact that I was bringing my son, given I'm fully vaccinated. And really the only reason I was bringing him for a test is that his creche won't take him with a cough and without a negative test, which is understandable. I tell you what though, I won't be rushing back to be tested. The nasal swab was really horrible, painful too. Give me a needle injection any day over the that. I'll have to have more than just a mild cough in order to get me anywhere back near that nasal swab.

    What I can't understand is how they manage to get any viral material from the tiny swab they do of kids noses compared to the finger length swab they put up an adult's nose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Matt Cooper in full scare mongering mode now about new variants and the vaccines not working against them!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989




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