Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

charlie14 · 30-08-2021 01:32PM

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I did not attribute them to you personally. I simply said that I do not see how people who argued that Covid was just a flu could not understand how there would in all likelihood a need for booster shots. But neither can I see where those that recognise Covid is more dangerous than flu would not understand that either. In fact if anything, even more so.

Your own post I would see as rather disingenuous. Vaccination here is not mandatory. Not even for care home and hospital employees where it is or is under consideration in quite a few other countries, and I have seen no reason to believe it will be for booster shots here either. Quite the opposite actually.

average_runner · 30-08-2021 01:41PM

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Grand, but you can't expect people to work with people that are vaccinated also, why should a vaccinated person have to increase their chances of getting the virus.

Big decisions will need to be made by companies, but I will refuse to sit or attend a meeting with an vaccinated person in the room

charlie14 · 30-08-2021 01:57PM

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I haven`t seen anything that says we are tracking deaths now differently than we were in Summer 2020?

If we are comparing apples to apples as you claimed you were, with 132 deaths from 3,665 new cases Summer 2020, compared to just 120 deaths from 87,414 new cases Summer 2021, then for those apples to be equal the death toll for this Summer would have to retrospectively increase for the period by at least 20 fold. That is simply not going to be the case. There is only one difference between death rates and infections last Summer and this that I can see and that is vaccines.

VG31 · 30-08-2021 02:01PM

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Wanting not to go back to the office full time or even at all is fair enough. I'm looking forward to going back but definitely not for 5 days a week.

The scary part is the number of people who hope that restrictions in general (not just WFH guidance) remain for months so they can continue with their cushy WFH number. I think that's an incredibly selfish attitude considering the number of people still not allowed to work.

celt262 · 30-08-2021 02:03PM

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Honestly don't know anyone who is thinking like that.

Red Silurian · 30-08-2021 02:08PM

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And nor would I ever try to blame you for such a disastrous website

average_runner · 30-08-2021 02:09PM

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We won't be going back, we sold the big floor in the office. Just a small floor will be available for those who want to go in.

Prefer to work from home, get alot more done and easier for kids sport after work.

godzilla1989 · 30-08-2021 02:26PM

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Compare hospital admissions

Those are tracked daily, like cases

We call that case hospitalisation rate, it's 2% now, check summer 2020, you'll understand the problem we face then.

Deaths are not accurate as I have explained, they are filled in months behind.

Hospital admissions are up 12 fold by the way on last summer.

382 in hospital today 30/08/2021 and half of them fully vaccinated

33 in hospital on 30/08/2020 with no vaccine's

Shocking progress for 6 million injections done

That chart is undefendable

Almost 400 in hospital, same level as December 2021 and March 2020

30-08-2021 02:30PM

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Lots of people feeling very meh about having boosters. Like you having done my bit the thought of constant boosters to renew the pass just isn’t inspiring confidence. Thought we were getting out of this or is this the new normal they’re harping on about. Other thing is could more stuff be added to passes.Hopefully am wrong and we’ll get through the winter into spring and things will get much better.

snowgal · 30-08-2021 02:37PM

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well yea, I imagine by this time tomorrow (with leaks etc) we should have an answer to everything like this. I mean they are going to tell us how we are opening up fully, and restrictions ending, fully.. So I make that, no masks, no social distancing, no rules about anything anymore, back to normal....Like that's what they are saying, opening up to full society in pre covid times in the next 6 weeks. I feel like Im the only one who's absolutely delighted about this, and for the first time actually excited to see Mee hole coming down the steps to tell us when freedom day is. Am I being naive about this? why arent we all feckin delighted that this crap is really about to end, after months and months of lockdowns and rules....

timmyntc · 30-08-2021 02:41PM

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Your bizarre mentality aside - why not mandate regular testing in your office instead?

Vaccinated people can carry and transmit covid too - so everyone needs to be tested. Also new studies show that people with previous covid infections are less likely to get a repeat infection, compared to those vaccinated. So those unvaccinated people could actually be less risk to you than your vaccinated colleagues.

Regardless, you shouldnt be worried in the first place because the vaccines work to keep you safe

sideswipe · 30-08-2021 02:44PM

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Until positions in companies start getting outsourced to Bangalore or Hyderabad. WFH is great but not all that glitters is gold.

dominatinMC · 30-08-2021 02:52PM

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What's your agenda on here? Are you trying to prove the vaccines don't work? Cause that's just a scientific falsehood. Or are you advocating that we let the virus rip through what's left of the unvaccinated? Or worse, are you hoping restrictions continue and we all hide under our beds indefinitely? Just curious.

PTH2009 · 30-08-2021 02:53PM

Hopefully tomorrow is the real beginning of the end

I do think the roadmap will have a few things which will be stupid

We have to realise the case numbers will be high and we have to live with this or the in and out of lockdown approach will destroy the economy

godzilla1989 · 30-08-2021 02:55PM

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I would expect gyms, cinema's and all that added to the passes as well to get rid of that 2m distance so they can make more money.

In there minds its the vaccine passes for indoors activities or else lockdowns again to lower infection rates.

charlie14 · 30-08-2021 03:00PM

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Come on now. There is only one way your supposed comparing apples to apples is going to be true and the vaccines not greatly decreasing the numbers of death in relation to infections from last Summer compared to this Summer, and that is if the present numbers of deaths for this Summer are retrospectively increased by at least 20 fold.

Are you seriously suggesting that the number of deaths between June 1st and August 29th. this year is somehow going to be, at some time in the future increased too at least 2,400 ?

30-08-2021 03:00PM

People need to keep in mind that the next generation of vaccines will be tweaked to target the Delta variants spike mutations. That should hopefully make things a little easier. That is if an individual decides they want to take vaccines going forward.

godzilla1989 · 30-08-2021 03:05PM

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No agenda really

They work, but not good enough to stop our hospitals overflowing this winter imo, we need better one's

We should have done that 20 months ago when it was much less contagious, too late now with Delta far too contagious

No I don't want back, but they will be

Hector Savage · 30-08-2021 03:07PM

My God ....

I made the mistake of checking out John Campbells youtube channel, hadn't seen him since last September ... still the same fear mongering and hysteria over all this, you would swear it was March 2020 - sad that he is making an absolute FORTUNE by terrifying people and ironically effecting the mental health of 1000s of people, yet it fits the narrative so it's allowed.

such a shame.

Lumen · 30-08-2021 03:20PM

Meanwhile...

Public Expenditure minister Michael McGrath...

I guess it's too expensive to carry on.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1432333985644953602

godzilla1989 · 30-08-2021 03:20PM

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Those deaths could have happened months ago for all we know, they are not reported accuartely

Look at the hospital admission chart from Jun - Aug 2020

10 in hospital most days in Jun, July, August

Alot of hospital patients must have died to get 132 deaths in that period with such low number in hospital

Also why do you think lower deaths means only the vaccine?

Could we not have better hospital treatments this summer than last summer and they are causing less deaths not only vaccine's?

All I know is case hospitalisation rate is 2% now and was 4.5% or so pre vaccine's.

2 in hospital out 100 cases, instead of 4.5 in hospital out 100 cases, that's the facts

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

PTH2009 · 30-08-2021 03:22PM

The next general election is going to be fun

Get your questions in about the handling of the pandemic

astrofool · 30-08-2021 03:23PM

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The current vaccines work fine against delta, same spike protein. Some people with underlying conditions or weaker immune systems (which is usually indicated by age) can get a booster of the existing vaccines and get back to the original efficacy.

Updated vaccines will arrive at some point (probably not till next year, Pfizer and Moderna can tweak theirs very quickly, but haven't needed to), but they're not required for opening up, the authorities realise that. We'll find out the detail tomorrow, I don't see vaccine certs being long lived, probably gone by Christmas, or maybe just after Christmas. Mask wearing will remain but probably by choice.

The numbers you're posting are either erroneous or don't support the conclusions you're trying to make.

edit: international travel will probably require vaccines and boosters as the rest of the world isn't at vaccinated as Ireland and countries won't want to import COVID.

30-08-2021 03:23PM

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You are continuing to ignore the cases that have not happened as a result of vaccination.

Absolute worst case is 77% effectiveness at preventing infection based on data so far. If there are 1,000 cases in vaccinated people today, in the absence of vaccines thats 4,300 cases. 20 hospitalisations is 0.46%, down from 4.5% - 90% reduction. That is both the reduction in hospitalisations among those infected and the zero hospitalisations in the cases that never happened.