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N4 - Collooney to Castlebaldwin [open to traffic]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scooby77


    Just went for spin on it, fabulous job...castlebaldwin roundabout to N17 roundabout c.8 min comfortably.

    Feels wider than Dromod bypass, surface is very quiet.

    100km seems very slow on it...say a Gosafe van parked on it would pay for itself very quickly!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭NedNew2


    Video courtesy of Kieran Feely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    Looks like a beautiful stretch of road. Delighted for the people living in Sligo and the northwest, this should be a great help in further opening up the area. Special congrats to everyone who campaigned for it over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭dakar


    This is the infrastructure project I’ve followed most closely and for the longest time since it is literally close to home.

    When I was looking into planning for my house near the route 14 years ago, route selection was already done. I followed the planning and the CPOs and the early works. I watched with interest as the fences went up on the route corridor and tried to guess what order they’d do things in. I have been utterly fascinated by the earthworks and the speed they could lay down the main bones of the project. I watched overpasses, underpasses and river bridges take very solid form where there had been only engineering drawings. I loved how they juggled the logistics of the in line section at the Collooney end with minimal disruption to my daily commute. I’ve watched the way they’ve flown through the surfacing and barriers and markings and road furniture. And they delivered all against the background of a pandemic.

    It was a pleasure to finally get a spin on it last night. Great job!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I drove it yesterday from Sligo to Boyle. It's an excellent road. The views of Kesh Corran and the Bricklieve Mountains are spectacular. There are plenty of lay-bys along the route. The stretch as one approaches the overbridge of the old route is really lovely as it gradually curves ahead of you. It's a real credit to Roadbridge, Sligo Co Co and local campaigners.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The N4, 24/08/21



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It won't let me upload videos 😔😢



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Anyone update OpenStreetMap yet.

    Whats the time saving like...5 min i'd estimate not to mention the safety



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    Yeah, it's been done.

    You just have to scroll in quite far to see the new road layout.

    OSM seems to do that for the first few days after a new road opens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭yannakis


    Road is also live in Waze since Monday.


    Lovely stretch of road, but the entry "ramps" at the Ballymote/Riverstown junction are horrible for a 100kph road. From the video shared in earlier posts, they basically look like left turns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 cheerylemon


    Wahey boys, we're in business!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I haven't driven through these junctions yet but they look shockingly tight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,071 ✭✭✭dakar


    They are. They will catch people by surprise travelling at 100kph who might be expecting a gentle off ramp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Level 12 and lower (i.e. zoomed out) only update periodically.

    Level 13 to 19 (i.e. zoomed in) start updating immediately, starting with 19 within minutes. You may however need to refresh your browser manually - press CTRL + F5 simultaneously.



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭job seeker


    I have been on the new road about three times. One thing I've noticed was that a lot of people speed on it. I noticed there are spots for Gardai to stop. So there may be (I hope) speed traps there going forward! Still far safer than the old road though!

    I will miss seeing the house with all the Christmas lights/decorations at it every Christmas though!



  • Registered Users Posts: 419 ✭✭Mullinabreena


    I was on it yesterday both ways. It's fantastic bit of infrastructure that will open Sligo up more. Imagine it the N17 gets done to a similar quality it will really help the Sligo town and country.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The bones of the new route are beginning to appear now on Google Maps. It's by no means complete nor accurate but will likely be uploaded and fine tuned over the coming days.

    I noticed the areas for Gardaí to park too. They're very discreet and you'll only see them when it's potentially too late. As per the post above, people seem to be driving 120 kms + in the fast lane...

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Yes! and 100kms at the cones just at the first roundabout at Collooney.

    The areas are very discreet indeed and could be mistaken for a regular parking spot. I think anything over 100 kms is too fast for that road, if someone had a blowout at 120 things will no doubt get very messy. Maybe the speeding will subside when there is more garda presence..



  • Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭Reuben1210


    Well I for one think I prefer them speeding on this big safe stretch of road designed for fast, efficient and safe travel than what they were doing on the old road.


    Much much lower chances of bad crashes! :)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite



    Looks like someone's already taken out a section of the barrier on it



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Wait are you one of these people? Only joking! 🙂


    It's a regional road! Designed for 100kp/h. If it's not designed for such speed it's not safe..

    Only motorways are 120kp/h The old road was lethal no doubt about it.

    Still, a higher chance of bad crashes if you travel at 120+ as opposed to the speed limit.

    Not sure why you are trying to argue that speeding is safe.. Allowing extra time for their commute would be a better alternative surely?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,181 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Firstly it's not a regional road, it a national road, hence the N designation.

    Modern roads are designed for higher speeds than the one that will be imposed on them. Most modern motorways are have design speeds of around 140 kmph. This road will be able to handle people traveling at 120kmph quite safely (even if it is illegal). Speeding on a grade separated dual carriageway is far safer than traveling at the speed limit on any single carriageway route that has side entrances, traffic crossing the road and overtaking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The design speed of a road depends on the design and spacing of the junctions as much as the geometry of the mainline. There are single-carriageway roads that would be safe at 160 km/h .. if it wasn’t for the possibility of traffic joining suddenly from the left, or stopping to turn right; similarly, the N7 is 3+3 lanes and subject to 100km/h limits because it has many closely-spaced junctions with short slip-roads.

    Or, to put it a different way, the only reason why a motorway is permitted to run at 120 km/h is because junctions are far apart, and all junction movements are gradual and are carried on filter lanes that run for at least 250 metres.

    This new road does stop traffic crossing the centreline, but it still has sharp left-turn in junctions, just like a single-carriageway road has. For that reason, 100 km/h is the proper speed. The fact that these junction entrances are less frequent than on an un-upgraded single-carriageway does not make them less dangerous if someone darts out from the side road without looking.

    A Type 2 Dual Carriageway is not designed to allow a faster speed limit. It is designed to make overtaking safer and dramatically reduce the chances of head-on collisions. This still requires drivers to drive within the limits of of how far ahead they can see clearly, the stopping distance of their car, their reactions and their level of attention. And because “everyone else” on the road is such a bad driver, that means 100 km/h for a Type 2.



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    ... it also has no hard shoulders, and fewer pull-ins for breakdowns etc. Now, breakdowns are rare, but I wouldn't want to be stopped on a 2+2 changing a tyre with 120kmh traffic coming up behind me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭Reuben1210


    It also has been cambered to a very high standard, brilliant sightlines and long sweeping bends instead of undulating National Road with very short sightlines, and many hill brows.


    The safety upgrade is absolutely overwhelming.


    The junctions point is the issue that would be a safety concern at very high speeds, but the two lanes give space for avoiding an accident at speed for oncoming traffic, along with those sightlines.


    Bottom line: Speeding on this road is obviously against the law as it is on every road, but the safety differential of doing it on this road v the old road is simply night and day 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Indeed! Where was I going with the regional part? I'm putting that down to sleep deprivation.. 😂

    All valid points! I see where you're coming from though. I don't see the point in speeding regardless of the road. I think if you (people in general) give extra time for your commute it is a far better alternative for everyone.

    I think it's only a matter of time before we see more garda presence on that road anyway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 797 ✭✭✭mydiscworld




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭BronsonTB


    Why are the speed vans not being deployed to sections instead of wasting Garda resources doing the same job?

    They do the road from Colloney to Sligo often enough.

    www.sligowhiplash.com - 2nd & 3rd Aug '25



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    The new road's been getting good reviews!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭job seeker


    No idea, Although it would make more sense to be fair.


    I did see a squad car sitting on the edge of the road a couple of months ago. Just where the traffic enters the road from Rivertown if you're heading towards Boyle/Dublin direction. I haven't seen it there since though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Aontachtoir


    "Sligo County Council and Transport Infrastructure Ireland have estimated that the new dual carriageway will save 27 lives and result in 1,000 fewer injuries over the next 30 years."

    That's what it's all about. Delighted for all the locals and not-so-locals who will benefit from this great new stretch of road. The accompanying greenway is the icing on the cake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Saving almost one life per year seems a bit much, surely there wasn't one person (on average) being killed on the old road every year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    I think there was up until a few years back when they put some minor improvements in.

    Given the cumberland gap nature of that stretch (good quality road either end) it encouraged speeding and in some cases, dangerous speeding.

    The new road is a godsend and fair play to the construction people involved, they should get every contract going now. A fine example of how to do things correct, quick and efficiently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭BronsonTB


    Were the same people involved in the Hyde Bridge work in town? (They should never get a road contract again)

    www.sligowhiplash.com - 2nd & 3rd Aug '25



  • Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan




  • Posts: 2,827 [Deleted User]


    It seems the white crosses and constant campaign to never let those who died on the old road be forgotten had an effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Wouldn't mind getting that group on the M20 case. I only drove the old road here twice and nearly got killed by a dangerous overtake on a slight hill. Dreadful Cumberland Gap style road and good riddance to it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    I doubt it made much difference. It's a strategic road combined with recent government pushing of Sligo and Athlone as regional centres. AADT of course is a big factor to.

    Recall the Ballinasloe - Loughrea section of the old N6. Same deal with crosses etc. The NDP linking cities got that sorted, not the crosses IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Can anyone tell me if on the unlit by lighting (which is going to be a lot along that stretch of road) if they have included any cats eye studs into the road? (white in between white line markings & yellow at the edges of the road) and or any rumble strips at the edge of the road (where the yellow line is where the ditch is?)

    Example:

    (Yep - I know its white line at edge in this pic - could not find a pic of an Irish road with yellow solid line at edge of road with cats eyes on)


    This all helps with extra safety on the roads and especially when its raining and dark when the painted lines are not as visible as when on dry roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Solid yellow lines are only used in two places:

    1. For short stretches at junctions on roads that have road-edge markings. Not all of these have hard shoulders.
    2. On motorways - there is usually a full hard shoulder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    @Andy From Sligo "Yes", and "yes". These pictures from the Garda Facebook about an accident shortly after the opening clearly show the rumble strips and reflectors.

    (3) Garda Síochána Sligo/Leitrim – Posts | Facebook

    Both features are required on this type of road, as I understand it. Reflectors are definitely required on National roads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Brilliant thanks for answering - i have not travelled at night yet on that road in my car so I didn't know for certain - but glad to hear it

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  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A lot of voices rehashing the same spiel in that video. 🙈

    But tbh, they're right: Sligo is very well placed to compete with Galway and perhaps now Dublin as well. Moving around Sligo is so easy now. I think the upgrade of Hughes Bridge is working really well. It's now a very pleasant drive from Carrick to Sligo. Boyle and to a lesser extent Carrick are now satellite towns of Sligo and you can see how the new road opens its hinterland to increase Sligo's economy of scale.

    There are only a few towns/cities in Sligo's position that have the infrastructure in place to thrive for the next 20 years. Dublin, Cork & Galway are going to shutdown due to gridlock. Pretending this won't happen is naive in the extreme. We cannot pretend that delaying these crticial infrastructure projects won't have serious consequences. They're going to increase in population with minimal transport & housing infrastructure to accommodate this. It's going to be a logistical & quality of life disaster.

    Meanwhile, Sligo, Kilkenny, Limerick, Waterford, Castlebar-Westport, Tralee, Athlone etc ought to thrive, saving a recession, as they can afford to expand. Of course, Dublin etc should be proceeding with Metrolink & sustainable high density urban development, but due to bad public policy, political indifference & local NIMBYism, this won't happen for the foreseeable. Sligo et al are well poised to benefit as sustainable, liveable alternatives, especially if/when remote working becomes embedded as a national norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    I think if the N17 to Knock gets upgraded to dual carriageway it will have a massive impact on what you have said there. Having a good road network to the regions most important airport is a must for Sligo's development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Is there any sign of the Eastern Garvoge Bridge happening? It should also really help the town and remove some local traffic from Hughes Bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,840 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    "Moving around Sligo is so easy now...."

    Hmm.. really!! , are we talking about Sligo .. the Sligo? Sligo Ireland? LOL 😄



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes.

    Vis à vis Galway, Dublin & Cork, Sligo is very easy to move around. Unless of course you expect to park at every shop & service you require, which is rightly not possible anywhere, bar towns which can't fathom the 21st century.



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