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Will there be another lockdown?

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  • #872
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811188#Comment_117811188

    And Ireland is at least 6 weeks or so behind the UK with Delta. Look at Germany and Eastern Europe maybe they are 3 months behind.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #873
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811291#Comment_117811291

    I think that's doubtful. Our efforts to date have not seen any reversals and whatever else we might say about them they don't want to do so. The schools effect in the UK and elsewhere is puzzling seeing as the HSE has insisted throughout that they are a low risk area here.



  • #874
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811348#Comment_117811348

    Yeah enforcing it will be impossible this, they'll try though



  • #875
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811419#Comment_117811419

    Will you stop posting such rubbish:

    "The good thing about the vaccine ineffectiveness we are seeing"

    The numbers are saying otherwise, consistently.

    If you have data showing that vaccines are ineffective post it, or start retracting or dialling down your statements.

    You accused me of moving goalposts yesterday and were proven completely wrong, yet today you're still pushing the same lies.



  • #876
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811444#Comment_117811444

    If Scotland or Isreal go back to lockdown that's all the proof I need and all those studies you want me to link will have been pointless.

    80%+ fully vaccinated adults and talking about circuit breakers in Scotland and refusing to rule out restrictions is absolutely insane



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  • #877
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811484#Comment_117811484

    Your personal bar for proof must be very low, but that doesn't excuse you spreading lies about vaccine effectiveness. Vaccines have both saved thousands of lives in Ireland and are continuing to save thousands of lives as Ireland exits lockdown restrictions at a very high vaccination %. To say otherwise is completely disingenuous and a lie.



  • #878
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811536#Comment_117811536

    If they were effective Scotland and Israel wouldn't be warning about bringing back restrictions

    Look you can keep your head in the sand and believe what you want, but the truth is 2% of cases are still ending up in hospital here and cases are going to grow when schools open which will lead to hospitals getting very very busy

    Hospilisations have went up 1100% in 7 weeks in the middle of summer

    We had 40 in hospital early July, 326 today. Last August 2020 with no vaccine's we had 20 in hospital

    I am going to bring up your post here in 2 - 3 months when restrictions come back and I hope you will apologise and admit you were wrong

    I hope I am wrong and will apologise to you if restrictions don't come back and covid is beat.



  • #879
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Hospitals here where always very busy here but no problem lockdown from monday onward fine with me



  • #880
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811597#Comment_117811597

    You're going to bring up my post about you saying that vaccines are ineffective if there's another lockdown? What warped logic is that.

    If in the future, if you have some data, any data, that shows vaccines are ineffective, bring it up, in fact, seeing as you're saying it now, either post that evidence or admit you are lying about vaccines being ineffective.



  • #881
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811622#Comment_117811622

    Winter is the real test

    They've had it easy till now

    We will get the real data then and yes I will gladly show it

    Au revoir



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  • #882
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811636#Comment_117811636

    So you have no evidence that vaccines are ineffective? pathetic.



  • #883
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We should be hugely concerned if countries have huge numbers vaccinated and are even considering the idea of a circuit breaker lockdown. Its really important that governments start to learn that closing businesses is not helping and no longer has public support.

    If we still need lockdowns after vaccines then you'd have to say they could be a permanent measure. And that level of uncertainty will lead to a huge crash eventually.



  • #884
    gral6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭gral6


    They better offer PUP of thousand euro a month, otherwise I am not buying this shite anymore



  • #885
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,188 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Wish when we do fully reopen the conception of lockdowns will need to be gone but we all know the media won't let it go

    People's mental health has been damaged and you'd have to fear the word 'full lockdown be coming with Hospital capacity at an all time high' and the likes will drive people over the edge

    New direction full on needs to be 'personal responsibility' and leave it at that, no micro managing our lives with this and that shut



  • #886
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811188#Comment_117811188

    Exact same as lastyear . Gradually ease restrictions and lockdown in October or November.



  • #887
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,566 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    What happens if the hospitals are over run with unvaccinated and the vaccinated only account for say 20% of those hospitalised, it would be crazy to lockdown the unvaccinated and similarly crazy to freely treat people refusing the vaccine by choice.



  • #888
    TheMilkyPirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    If we go back into lockdown with vaccines available and so many people vaccinated the government are basically saying we are fucked and this is it for the foreseeable. I can't see it happening



  • #889
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 471 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hospitals are not even at flu numbers with 2,000 cases a day. People with underlying illnesses with the vacinne are still going to be hospitalized.

    Unless the hospitals get completely overloaded I can't see it happening.



  • #890
    Roxxers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Roxxers


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811291#Comment_117811291

    bollox



  • #891
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,495 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    @is_that_so wrote

    The schools effect in the UK and elsewhere is puzzling seeing as the HSE has insisted throughout that they are a low risk area here.

    Last school year was mostly pre Delta.

    It's a shame vaccinations for 12-15 didn't start until two weeks before schools are due to reopen, with a lot of people away on holidays. Mine are only getting vaccinated today after registering on the last day of our holiday 8 days ago (didn't want to register too early and then cancel if we got quick appointments).

    Then again there are way more under 12s than over, but I guess their parents are likely to be fully vaccinated by now anyway.

    I don't think a schools driven surge is inevitable but it looks like a fine balance.



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  • #892
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/aug/24/why-is-covid-surging-in-highly-vaccinated-israel-and-what-can-australia-learn-from-it


    750 in ICU in Israel now with 80% of adults fully vaxxed. Unfortunately our puny decrepit health system would crumble under that and may well have us back into lockdown in winter ...



  • #893
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,169 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Going by the figures you’d have to be worried. Grim reading considering the high vax rate. Overall vibe - depressing.



  • #894
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820257#Comment_117820257

    Don’t worry about it

    Nolan on NPHET says it will peak here in 2 weeks

    All good 👍



  • #895
    brickster69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,683 ✭✭✭brickster69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820291#Comment_117820291

    No idea where people are getting that from. Maybe best to look at dates for a peak with some pessimism and if they are wrong happy days.

    Two days ago they did a presser and from 1 hr 16 in they clearly talk about the time frames they expect for peaks and then when things will be coming down.

    https://twitter.com/rwallirl/status/1431188239499599873


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • #896
    godzilla1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭godzilla1989


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820412#Comment_117820412

    He talks about it here brickster

    Lowest point of disease in late September

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40364753.html%3Ftype%3Damp




  • #897
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117811597#Comment_117811597

    One of the contributors to the hospitalisations not falling as much is some people are now being admitted because vaccination has given them a chance



  • #898
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117813128#Comment_117813128

    Anyone refusing medical treatment to a seriously sick person because they didn't follow an instruction is putting themselves outside of a long tradition of humane medicine.

    From the hospitals of the middle ages up in until the present. Many of our hospitals, and ones in the US, are named for Christian saints. Condemning people to death because they didn't follow bureaucratic advice isn't something that we do.

    I hate that every time I look at this site there's always some evil sentiment being expressed. It's like a wellspring of badness.

    How are people so morally broken that they think that don't understand basic right and wrong? Seriously, listen to your inner voice of conscience and not some warped idea of rule-following.



  • #899
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820835#Comment_117820835

    It’s a tiny minority expressing that view. It’s like smoking, it’s bad for you, will increase your likelihood of illness and early death, but those who get ill from smoking are given the same treatment as anyone else. Does not stop us doing everything we can to persuade people of the benefits of quitting and designating specific areas as no smoking areas. I don’t hear many people claiming their rights are being infringed by not being allowed to smoke in a restaurant.

    A lot of the comment we get here on vaccination is similar in quality to the old “my neighbour smoked 40 a day and lived to 90” excuse that some used to employ to justify continuing to smoke



  • #900
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820835#Comment_117820835

    Unfortunately, this is exactly what was happening in Italy at the beginning of all this, triage decisions to treat those with the best chance of survival.



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  • #901
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭growleaves


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117820875#Comment_117820875

    It's a loud minority, small but not as tiny as it should be.



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