Too many people would have to keep it a secret...

Sure. But then every other conspiracy theorist can say that about their preferred conspiracy.

But that's not the issue. The issue is that conspiracy theorists don't want to discuss conspiracy theories they don't believe (and often dismiss out of hand). It seems a bit hypocritical to then turn around and moan about skeptics wanting to discuss conspiracy theories they don't believe? Isn't a bit odd to describe that as "killing discussion"?

And then, who decides which conspiracy theories are more likely?

Marky himself has posited that *all* space flight is faked. This is a very ridiculous think to believe. I'm hard pressed to think of something less likely. If someone believes something like this, how could they fairly dismiss any other conspiracy theory as "unlikely."

We've had people here claim that the twin towers were destroyed by secret silent explosives. We've had people claim it was space based energy weapons. We've had people claiming the US can control the weather. We've had people claim that school shootings are all fake. We've had Holocaust denial. All of these are equally ridiculous by all rational measures.

Know what I've never seen? One conspiracy theorist ask another why they believe something.

Sure but again, we never see any conspiracy theorists here actually post about the reasonable version of 9/11 conspiracies. It's all stuff like silent explosives and faked passports and extra planes.

The reason is that these claims are attention getting and exciting. The reasonable version is too dry and boring.

And ironically, the unsexy version of the 9/11 conspiracy would require a very small amount of people being involved.

It's a public discussion forum and you are throwing a tantrum because people aren't blindly validating your views.

As for your conspiracy belief (that the space program isn't real), it's been pointed out it would require literally millions to keep that a perfect secret over many decades. You haven't addressed that, plus the multitude of many other glaring holes on it.

But again it's been explained to you many times. You keep pretending to not see those posts or questions. You ignore them and run away.

You've been shown that paper items survive plane crashes.

You've been show that many perishable items have survived the planes on 9/11.

you agree that these things happened.

At the same time you bury your head and ignore the issues with the alternative explanation you have to subscribe to.

You don't want to directly state that you believe the government planted the passport because you understand that such a thing is **** idiotic. It's as dumb as the theories you're ranting about. It's as dumb as what Marky there believes about space and the shape of the earth.

By all means keep ignoring things. It shreds your credibility every time. It shows that all you conspiracy theorists can do to defend your beliefs is to plug your ears and cry.

It's hilarious.

It's not just that he's not giving an explanation.

The fact he and other conspiracy theories bring it up carries implications. If they're claiming it's impossible for the passport to survive and be handed in, it implies that they are implying the real explanation is that the passport was fake and planted, or the story is fabricated entirely.

Alan and other conspiracy theorists believe this is the true explanation and that it makes it clear there's a conspiracy here.

If there's another explanation, no conspiracy theorist has provided one. Nor would any alternative explanation make sense, else why bring it up as an issue?

(Ie. it being a case of mistaken identity and it's just some random passport from a different guy who looks like and has the same name as the hijacker is not concidered as it doesn't imply a conspiracy.

There are no other viable or rational explanations besides the official one.

The issue here is that Alan and other conspiracy theorists don't want to admit that this is what they are arguing and believe. They don't want to discuss the conspiracy theory explanation.

Alan knows that the argument is debunked. He's been shown the explanation many many times and that's why he ignores it. He knows that the conspiracy theory explanation is idiotic, which is why he ignores all the questions about it.

It's pure dishonesty.

And all to cling onto a silly conspiracy theory that he knows is false and stupid.

The question is why. Does he really think that clinging onto obvious silly nonsense makes him look like an informed rebel thinker?

Again, the conspiracies being discussed here include:

Alan's which is that the people behind faking 9/11 took the time to fake a passport (and possibly many other items) for reasons unknown and all while knowing that such a thing is impossible and would be a dead give away.

And Marky's which is that all space travel is faked.

Do you believe these are reasonable conspiracy theories?

And again, if the child started to plug his ears and cry about how mean we are rather than address those questions, he would also be acting exactly like conspiracy theorists.

Strawman to deflect from the points being made. No one subscribes to the positions you are describing. You are simply being dishonest again.

And again your point is completely undercut by the ridiculous conspiracy you believe.

You claimed that all space flights are fake.

This is a ridiculous conspiracy. it would be literally impossible to suppress and would require millions of people involved and all for no reason.

Even the other conspiracy theorists in this thread agree, hence why non of them address it.

I suspect he knows he's plucking that idea out of his arse. He know that isn't a position any of us hold.

But because he isn't able to address any of the points made to him, and he doesn't want people to hear about his very silly beliefs, he's trying to made a strawman to deflect.

He's shown that he's a very dishonest debater, so I don't at all believe that this claim is made out of innocent ignorance and misunderstanding.

Again, you show yourself up.

You claimed that all space flight is faked.

How is this possible with only a few people?

And I love how you guys keep bringing up Watergate.

A conspiracy of less than a hundred people. That was exposed by the mainstream media. That was exposed by the mainstream media BECAUSE ONE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED TOLD THE MEDIA!

You are arguing that this somehow proves that a conspiracy of millions is somehow possible?

Hilarious.

You believe that the space program is fake.

So it follows you have to create a fantasy reality where millions of people are capable of keeping it all under wraps, the media is one giant conspiracy, all the governments of the world are working together to keep it all a secret for some unknown reason, that anyone who disagrees with you is some sort of "sheeple" who are "brainwashed" by the "evil governments", that all scientists and experts and astro-physicists and rocket scientists are all in on it.

On top of all that, it's obvious you know it's all a lie also because you keep dodging questions and avoiding addressing it.

So of course you'll try and side with a conspiracy theorist, any conspiracy theorist because you know they will be the only ones who will validate that crapola. There are conspiracy theory forum safe spaces which filter out facts/reason/questions, where you can spout this shite and be surrounded by like-minded gullible uninformed people who will agree with you and you'll agree with their contradictory theories, so I have no idea why you bring this here or what you thought would happen.

Ask the poster directly yourself, watch how they'll either ignore you or weasel out of it. Believing in someone crazy is one thing, believing in something crazy you know is a lie is quite another.