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Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    Anyway back to the racing.


    “Tilke said the race track on the coast of Jeddah, which is 6.17 kilometers long, is the second longest circuit on the calendar during the 2021 Formula 1 season after the Spa-Francorchamps circuit in Belgium.

    The track, which comprises of 27 turns, including some high-speed corners as well as long straight lines, was completed in record time in less than 12 months. The event will be held in cooperation with Formula 1, the International Automobile Federation, as well as the Saudi Automobile and Motorcycle Federation.

    Tilke said they designed an exciting circuit for fans and drivers alike, without the usual restrictions of any downtown circuit, which makes the Jeddah Corniche circuit special.

    Tilke, who is designing the circuit with his father Hermann, said it gave him the freedom to design, and all restrictions that controlled the usual street circuits were removed, adding it was built on land designated for it.

    Tilke also revealed that the Jeddah Corniche Circuit has an estimated speed of 252 kilometers per hour, which is the highest average speed compared to any Formula 1 street circuit.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It's classed as a street circuit? But there are no streets? Is it a postmodern street circuit or something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,213 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    No, just one with probably the highest hosting fee in F1 excluding Abu Dhabi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,459 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    I recall when it was announced that there would be a temporary street track until a circuit was purpose-built. Did I imagine that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    The street track is in Jeddah, the permanent track will open in 2022 in Riyadh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,459 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    So the above under-construction track is only for this year? 🤯



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Slavery gets such a bad rep. Nobody talks about the economic positives of slavery. It makes things very cheap, for example. And that frees up loads of money to pay the FIA to host a race.

    This would be parody if it weren't accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    With the Paralympics on at the moment, I decided to Google 4 time Paralympic gold medalist and former Jordan racer Alex Zanardi to see if there was any update on how he's doing over a year on from his horrible accident . Article from back at the start of July from his wife states he's doing OK but still has a long way to go.


    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭barryribs


    He mis-spoke, he meant to say 'migrant workers'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭barryribs


    Perez confirmed for 2022. Good choice for stability for next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,940 ✭✭✭✭skipper_G


    Happy he'll get another year and it's done nice and early



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah fair decision. He's been better than the other options they have since they don't seem to rate Gasley. Perez quali pace is poor but race pace is good.

    Glad it's done early. Mercedes is taking the p1ss with their decision but it's more complicated for them as they have 2 Mercedes drivers to choose from and one will be very unhappy with the decision. So it makes some sense to delay the decision as long as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    The incident in W Series today, plus the injury to Jack Aitkin earlier this year, plus the loss of Atoine Hubert a couple of years ago has me concerned that there might be consideration by the FIA in slowing the Eau Rouge/Radion complex in the years to come.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,646 ✭✭✭Harika


    Was a nasty crash that could have easily ended worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,788 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    nasty crash.

    halo definetly helped the first driver. the whole front of the car came down on the top of the halo. definetly could have been lethal there without it

    the slow mo is very frightening with the followoing cars plowing in on top



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    On the red bull driver situation, does anyone else think its a bit wild that a complete journeyman like Kvyat got 2 stints in the RB, but they're not considering Gasley for the red bull seat?

    I don't object to Perez as he's been ok as a no.2 driver and even sneaked a lucky win for the team one of the days he was third fastest driver on track. But I'd certainly rate Gasley at least equal to Perez* and Gasley is a RB driver and surely has far more potential than Perez.

    I wonder if they'll consider Gasley for 2023. If he keeps up his current form then someone will surely be offering him a decent drive.


    *I'd rate Gasley ahead of Perez



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,459 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    I think Gasley dirtied his bib with the way he reacted to his Red Bull struggles — by all accounts he put a lot of blame on engineers, the car rather than take accountability.

    No question he’s a fast driver and is flying in Alpha Tauri, but for Red Bull, he also needs to deal with adversity and pressure.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Considering Albon and, for the most part, Perez haven’t exactly set the world alight in the same car, Red Bull could do with perhaps trying to listen to him.

    The AT isn’t that far removed from the RB, yet Gasly consistently gets close to the 2nd RB.

    Watching Horner’s attitude towards any questions around Gasly on DTS said to me that they want to be proven right that Gasly was the problem even though everything since then suggests otherwise.

    Hopefully he continues to shine in the AT next year and someone gets him out of that RB nightmare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭SureYWouldntYa


    Kvyat only got 1 go in the Red Bull, unless you mean 2 seasons and he got dropped what 5/6 races in for Max

    Perez is now doing better than Gasly did, it mightn't be good enough but they're taking the simpler solution, I can see why they're not changing it up

    You're right though Gasly is on a stormer last year or so, someone will nab him for sure in 2023



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,213 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    It also frees up loads of money for paying tossers to spam social media with PR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,140 ✭✭✭muckwarrior


    Perez is doing better than Gasly did...

    Is he though? When comparing Gasly/Albon/Perez people seem to forget that this is the first year that the Red Bull car is the joint fastest on the grid, compared to a distant second in previous years, so naturally Perez has finished in higher positions. I'd be interested to see the stats comparing each team mate's qualy times and race finish times vs Max.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Perez quali times would be similarly terrible. Race pace would probably be a bit better. The fact that he has the joint best car means he can make up for his terrible qualifying. They have a good engine this year too which makes overtaking much more achievable. The likes of Albon were stuck down the grid and couldn't advance. I don't think Perez is doing miles better if you levelled the cars, but that's not how it works. Perez won a race. Mostly due to luck, and people like him. He's rated much higher than his driving deserves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    One caveat to this is that Verstappen is still only 23 years old and he's improved massively as a driver in recent years - he's not a static benchmark against which each of his teammates can be compared. Obviously Gasly is young and will still be improving too while Perez at 31 years old will already be at his peak. But to me it just seems obvious that Verstappen is such a complete driver at this point that nobody Red Bull hire would get close to him, short of getting hold of Alonso and a time machine. Perez was well established as one of the fastest drivers on the grid before Red Bull hired him and he's doing about as well as anyone would, while showing maturity and also being particularly strong on tyre management which opens up more tactical possibilities for the team. Chopping and changing the driver line up again would just hurt stability without having any real likelihood of improving anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't think Perez was ever "well established as one of the fastest drivers on the grid". When people ranked drivers into clusters they would usually have had ham and max in thr top tier, then the likes of leclerc, Ricciardo, Noris. Nobody was including perez in that second tier. He was well established as probably towards the top of the cluster of drivers who are average or above average.

    His popularity makes people rate him better than his performance deserve and the win last year drive his rankings even higher but he's not a top driver. For example, Bottas is having a very poor season by his standards and is about as fast as Perez, but few in these threads would rate them as being about the same precisely because Bottas isn't a popular driver on these threads.

    I've seen Bottas ranked as the 3rd slowest driver on the grid, in these threads. That's bonkers. He's probably faster than perez when he's not having a poor season. They're certainly about the same overall and nobody is claiming that Bottas was well established as one of the top drivers.

    Perez is a grand no.2. And he's (as a seasoned pro) getting more out of the RB than Gasley did (as a rookie). So he's worth another year in the RB. But I'd bet on Gasley becoming a much better driver than Perez.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,590 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Back to the popularity shtick again :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,590 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its a part of the race weekend at this point these utter rubbish hot takes. Same as when Crofty gets drivers wrong mid race.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You never fail to tune in. Never manage to find an argument against what I've said though. If it was wrong, then surely it would be easy to refute. But you don't, because it's pretty true. Drivers who are similar in terms of speed are ranked very differently because of their popularity.

    Perez is a big beneficiary of that dynamic and Bottas is the opposite. Even though they're about the same in terms of speed ( and points this year)



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