I'm a 28 year old girl, half Swedish, half Irish. I grew up in (very progressive LOL) Sweden until I was about 18 and moved here about 10 years ago.
I voted no to the 8th specifically because I knew where it would lead. Unconditional and limitless abortions and essentially being used as a contraceptive.
It should strictly be limited (in my opinion) to rape, FFA, ectopic pregnancies etc.
Am I alone?
Where has it led?
I voted yes because no woman should be forced into a pregnancy they don't want.
"used as a contraceptive" yeah, much easier going and getting an abortion than any actual contraceptive. That argument is so disgusting.
But thankfully those of us who don't believe in forcing women to continue with unwanted pregnancies, out voted you.
End of discussion.
I'm sure you're not the only one but thankfully you were in the minority of people who seemed to think they had a say over other women's bodies.
In the three years since we repealed the Eighth Amendment, have you any evidence that abortion has been used as a contraceptive? By anyone at all? Ever?
No, I didn't think so. You didn't know where it would lead. It hasn't led there.
I'm a 29 year old lesbian single mother of five. I had several abortions before I settled down and got a few lads to horse some sperm into me. Unlike all those other women, my abortions were for good reasons. Little Britanininay had to go because Ramadan was coming up and I didn't think I'd be able to fast, Brandon would have made me not look great for my sister's wedding and two weeks later, I nearly had Aria until I found out she'd was a boy. These were difficult decisions decisions for me but if it wasn't so easy to have an abortion, I mightn't have had all of them - like who can turn down free abortion pills in your bag of ecstasy. I just wish they made it clearer which pills were which.
When the referendum came around I had to vote no. People should only have abortions for reasons that I agree with. Well, I meant to vote no but I didn't register in time. These days, I leave the kids to play in the streets and when I know that they're safe, I hang around hospitals throwing eggs (unfertilised) and hurling abuse at women who don't look pregnant enough.
i voted yes. I believe abortion should be safe, legal and rare. In an ideal world there would be zero abortions but we don’t live in that world. None of us truly know what goes on in another person’s life.
I find the argument that abortion should be illegal because some women will use it as contraception bs tbh. If a woman finds herself having multiple abortions, maybe she isn’t best placed to carry a baby to term or become a mother.
"I knew where it would lead. Unconditional and limitless abortions and essentially being used as a contraceptive."
Within what time-frame will all of this occur? Seeing as you know.
The 8th was in 1983. If your post is to be believed, you didn't vote in the 8th, because in September 1983 you weren't even born. Indeed, you weren't even unborn.
You may be referring to the 36th, which was an amendment to repeal the 8th. Then again, you may not.
By the way, it's a bit ineffective to try to strictly limit things using a list that has "etc." at the end. A list tends to lose its "strict" character in that case. You might be better off defining the "etc."
"my body my choice" is disgusting to me. what about the unborn babies body?
That's the issue. Unless you are sure in your conviction as to when an abortion is morally ok, then you are neither pro choice or pro life.
You either believe life begins at conception, birth or where brain function/viability applies.
Brain function and viability differ with each individual instance.
If you were to criminalise abortion at 12 weeks, would 11 weeks and 6 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes be ok?
Could you explain why not?
You should choose not to have an abortion, so.
Bin? Dumplings? Dog food? The sky is the limit.
Now rinse repeat like any other thread on this topic.
I'm opposed to abortion under any circumstances past the point of where the life inside can feel - process pain.
The exception being when the mother's life is in danger
I abstained from voting as nobody could answer my question, when does the life inside start to register pain
Prior to that point , I don't oppose abortion
OP - I’m sure there were indeed some women who voted against the 8th Amendment back in 1983, but I very much doubt, given the time elapsed since and the fact that most boardsies were either very small children (like myself), babies or indeed not yet born - that many of these progressive thinking and brave women who went against the grain 40 years ago are posting here today.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - but it really never ceases to amaze me with all the reactionary, judgmental and grandstanding posters who inhabit these forums.
Unborn baby is a contradiction in terms.
But, I do agree with not aborting late stage pregnancies. 12 weeks is still early.
My grandmother, mother and father all voted against the 8th in 1983. I got my first period in 1983 - so you could say the 8th Amendment overshadowed the whole of my reproductive years.
I voted to repeal so my daughter and other women would have the right to decide for themselves.
I agree everyone is entitled to an opinion, and they got to cast their vote based on that opinion.
But its time all those "reactionary, judgemental posters" who 3 years after repealing the 8th are still attempting to shame women for ending unwanted pregnancies, to stop.
No one will ever force them into having an unwanted abortion. They can continue on with their lives as before.
And other women now have the freedom to make different choices, based on their own conscience.
The majority ruled. The legislation was passed. Its done. Move on.
Post of the year candidate.
It really didn't go far enough IMO: the first twelve weeks of pregnancy?!
It really should have been the first 12 years.
You do know that voting against the 8th Amendment in 1983 essentially meant that one was voting not to tighten up the already draconian and archaic Victorian era abortion laws? Those Irish voters who did not agree with abortion being completely illegal would all have voted against the 8th back then.
I also voted to repeal the 8th, and have been pro-choice since my college years in the 1990s, so I think you got the completely wrong impression from my first post...
This post has made my Friday, well done 🤣
Apologies, that post wasn't actually aimed at you, iykwim .... I wish they would bring back selective quoting!
You're not alone OP. Just very much in the minority.
I don't get the argument of the pro aborts.
They usually squeal "you lost, get over it" when talking to a pro lifer.
The thing is, the pro-aborts lost ... they lost several referendums* previously. So why didn't they put up and shut up as they advocate themselves?
*before anyone resorts to grammar Nazism, as some people do when they're losing an argument, referendums is a perfectly acceptable plural for referendum.
The answer I find intriguing is the type that just about brought themselves around to vote for it and believe it should be safe, legal, and rare, fair enough but once rare is added to the argument it's still trying to control women choice over their own bodies and its form of doublespeak why can't they stop at safe and legal.
Nah, you weren’t and aren’t alone by any stretch. I know of a few women who voted against repealing the 8th amendment precisely for the reasons you did, and a few more of their own besides.
Don’t know any women who are half Swedish, half Irish who moved to Ireland 10 years after growing up in Sweden though, but you’re probably not alone there either 😏
That's not an argument of a 'pro aborts' whatever one of those is.
There is no argument.
Women can now have total control over their own bodies.
It's basic human rights.
In your own words:
'You lost, get over it'
I wouldn't have an abortion myself but it's not my place to decide what other women should do if they face difficult circumstances, so I voted yes.
Only the 8th amendment went in favour of restricting abortion.
The subsequent attempts to restrict information or the right to travel, and to remove suicide as a grounds for abortion went in favour of the pro choice side.