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There will be a rise in incel related terror attacks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Big dick or status. And not getting with Chad doesn't mean they aren't attracted to them. Chad is always the baseline of attractiveness, for instance, I was speaking to a girl last week who told me she was going out with a guy because he was a senior cup rugby player(Not sure how he looked like but in our culture this is a Chad) and she was only going out with him because it was who she felt she should go out with. This might seem to disprove my worldview but it only reinforces it. Women start off gravitating towards chad and it's only over time that they might look at alternative options.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    Young people can be really, really dumb and that girl, if she was being honest, sounds like a fool. Trust me, it all gets better (less judgmental, less fractious, more tolerant etc.) as peoples' egos crumble over time :)

    EDIT: And it's not just egos crumbling over time, BTW. When you are young and lacking in experience, you fixate on what you think you are supposed to want and a lot of that is derived from cultural noise, such as the corporate entertainment sector and media. Over time though, you learn what you actually want in a partner.. and it is often nothing like your youthful view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    ‘Tis homoeroticism as opposed to homosexuality appears to be the influencing factor there, but again the Ancient Greeks can be blamed for that too 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    It DOES reinforce your world view, because her attitude is exactly the same as yours, only in female form, with the whole nonsense ideas about ‘status’ and all the rest of it. The whole pile of garbage is just an easier sell to young men, there’s even supplements marketed towards young men in your circumstances which plays into your attitude and reinforces your mindset -



    It would be comical and if it weren’t so unfortunate, I’d think it was a parody. Your earlier claim btw about ‘existing only in our own worlds’, nope, that’s just you, completely contradicted by your own beliefs which are measured based upon external factors where you claim biology cannot be overcome, and yet one of your criteria that contributes to status is being able to provide financial security, which to the best of my knowledge, has feckall to do with biology, and unless you’re a male porn performer who goes gay for pay, it has nothing to do with the dimensions of ones penis either.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That would depend on their own experiences of being with women. I've (as have many of my friends) had extremely painful and sometimes destructive relationships with women in the past, and that can factor into how someone views women in a relationship/dating perspective. TBH the best thing I ever did was leave Ireland, and get away from the Irish dating culture, because it gave me better perspective over how people behaved, rather than how people behaved in the roles they had created (or pushed) themselves into.

    Personal responsibility is not a very popular consideration these days, which extends into many areas of peoples lives. Few people want to recognise that their negative experiences are a result of their own choices, especially when those negatives are repeated. It's easier to blame others, or external factors... and social media (and society in general) is very quick to encourage such passing away of that personal responsibility for choices. Victim blaming can be attributed anywhere, and is... limiting the ability for many people to learn from mistakes and grow in a manner to make better choices in the future. It's desirable to be a victim in many western cultures because of all the supports, sympathy, and benefits (real or imagined) associated with that state. As such, why shouldn't men feel to be victims due to how the women in their lifetimes have treated them? It's not as if this isn't the way many women have portrayed their own experiences for decades.

    I see little difference between the incel community and the hardline feminists, or whatever group you want to mention, who glorifies in playing the victim.. constantly finding excuses to justify that existence and attacking anyone who challenges it. However, the incel community didn't just appear out of nowhere. It copied other groups who have been griping about things long before them., and received a wide range of attention.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,870 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Ability to provide financial security is nothing to do with biology? It is well established that tall men are perceived as being better leaders/more competent and hence do better in their careers than shorter men. And that's just one and obvious aspect of biology.

    I don't know if neurotypical mesomorphs with masculine faces (Chads) do better in the work place than autistic ectomorphs with receding chins - I would suspect that in general and apart from areas such as coding etc., Chad wins.

    Does Chad also have a bigger cock, if Chadness is related to testosterone levels during gestation, perhaps he does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    A correlation based upon perception, completely unrelated to biology.

    ’Chadness’ is not to be found in any biology textbook either, but at 5’7” Jeff Bezos would no doubt be dismissed as an outlier, even though the whole premise of the correlation between the ability to provide financial security and height is itself predicated upon observation of outliers. Far from established science, albeit well established BroScience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,870 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Is height an aspect of biology or is it not? A correlation based upon perception, please explain what you mean here

    a) there is a perception (by incels etc.) that there is a correlation between height and earnings

    or

    b) there is a general perception that tall men are better leaders and more competent

    If a), well it's not a "perception" it is based on actual research, not broscience and not outliers e.g.

    https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/standing

    if b), it doesn't matter if the perception of competence is justified or not, the end result is that short men end up earning less than tall men. Tall Chad then ends up attracting women who want a tall man, women who want a rich man and women who want a man who is both tall and rich.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    You mean it would be a lot easier to not make any effort, throw your arms up, and claim "welp, what is a boy to do. Its not my fault so no point trying to make any effort at self improvement."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    It actually wouldn't be better but would solve the problem of shooting out of your league and the frustration that can cause.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I love this thread. It’s like the conspiracy theory threads where the OP never answers questions because it would challenge their beliefs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    OP’s username is inspired by his thinking style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I am actually open to some ideas and throughout a typical day my views will harden or mellow out. I am not an extremist and I don't hate individual women; I get them and I understand that most of the time these forces are subconscious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,118 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


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  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What's shooting out of your league though? Is that based on appearance, social status, your wealth, who your parents are, whether you/she is famous, etc? [Don't go to extremes in answering]

    The first important thing I learned after leaving Ireland was that "leagues" are rubbish. It entirely depends on that persons state when you meet them, and consequently the emotional memory she/he had when she thought about me after that encounter. I've dated women who were rich, sexy, reasonably famous, and the one thing that united them, was that they were lonely... because most men "in their league" were gobshites and they were very tired of being boxed into a particular category.. (unless it suited their interests at the time). Dating and relationship leagues are a social lie... designed to box people and their behavior.. and it's rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Why would Ireland have leagues and these mythical foreign lands not? Unless you went to these places without your own ingrained biases? Possible I suppose.



  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, the idea of being restricted to a particular league is pretty common throughout the world, and in many respects is more obvious, due to the disparity between socio-economic groups. It's still a cop out. A way to justify some kind of elitist mentality, while giving negative led sympathy to those who don't succeed. Dating is full of this self-limiting BS... and it is BS as long as you allow yourself to be framed that way.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,296 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Exoticism works in your favour and the fact you're somewhere different and you are different that can up your chances, both because of that exoticism and more because you're more likely to act differently and usually more confidently. I've seen it for myself and have seen the opposite happening here with a few Italian lads I knew. Including one who had mucho success here but seeing him in Italy he could have fallen into a box of boobs and come out sucking his thumb. Useless.

    Dating culture can be a large part of it too. Along with other things we've imported the American dating culture to more of a degree than say France or Italy etc and of course imported their daft gender wars/incel/pickup stuff with it. Well like many an accent here it's a mid atlantic twist on it as US dating culture and the culture itself is quite different and it's a more dog eat dog culture anyway where the hard sell is often in play.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,870 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    There are at least nuggets of wisdom in what the OP has said. It is a negative outlook and people don't like that but the rebuttals are not convincing. Stuff like "I know a shortarse who SLAYS" doesn't really cut it.

    Anyhow I've enjoyed this thread especailly the posts about Ancient Greece.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,339 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Whole thing seems a bit mad. I looked up one the most infamous 'incels', Elliot Rodger, expecting to see some loveless gargoyle, and instead saw someone you could put in a boyband. Obviously, he must have had some severe mental issues to do what he did and to see the world the way he saw it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Height is certainly an aspect of biology. Ability to provide financially, is not - which is what I said. The OP claims that biology cannot be overcome, and yet the ability to provide financially, overcomes a hell of a lot of biological shortcomings, in terms of whether one is an attractive prospect, or not. It depends entirely upon the individual, which is something that incel types don’t appear to be able to wrap their heads around. They put MEN on pedestals, as opposed to women.

    It doesn’t really come as a surprise to anyone given the paper you linked to doesn’t support your claim either. Instead what it does is propose a correlation based upon a different set of criteria entirely - the idea that height is positively associated with cognitive ability, which they claim would explain the prevalence of taller men’s success in employment. At least they aren’t claiming correlation equals causation, as the OP is attempting to do.

    It absolutely matters if the perception is justified, because it can mean the difference between someone changing their beliefs and focusing on the things they can change, as opposed to remaining focused on the things they can’t.



  • Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "I don't hate individual women" - that's such a meaningless statement. So if faced with a woman you wont say you hate her, but you do hate women in general?

    It might feel validating and safe and harmless to hate women as an abstract notion, but they're real people. If you hate women as a concept then you do hate individual women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Let's be very clear I don't hate anybody. There enough hate to go around withing adding to it.



  • Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Very true.

    What is the rush, in general, though? What are you despairing over? You may go through several long term serious relationships before you find someone that you want to settle down with. And even then the relationship will be a work in progress. Pefect idealized relationships exist only in works of fiction (which partly explains why fiction is so popular, BTW, from Mills & Boon novels to the characters and narratives created by the incel community).

    Also, like everybody else, you will make mistakes in your relationships, before you find the right partner. (And probably even after.) I mention this because you'd be doing yourself a major favour if you put this incel stuff down as one of your early relationship mistakes (or early mistakes in thinking about relationships at least) and be done with it. It's counterproductive and it is only going to impede the amount of craic you get from life and love in future.



  • Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you find yourself in a situation where you're typing the words you've typed, you should probably seek the help of a mental health professional. Good luck, OP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,455 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    It would likely be some backward as fook lifetime dickwad with a shotgun that would get his ass kicked from the crowd when reloading his 2 shooter shotgun steed with damp bullets he robbed from his backard as fook inbred father who forced him to watch "The Field" every Sunday so his son could rely on EU farmer slave money for the rest of his life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,870 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I was browsing the incel forum and came across something that gave me the best laugh I've had in a long time

    The Dogpill

    The funny premise is that a woman would rather shag a big dog than an incel.

    It tallies very slightly with a theory I had years ago when I knew some silly women who owned large dogs like Rotties or even Mastiffs, Not that she necessarily wanted to shag the dog but that she wanted control of a BIG animal that outweighed her. for status reasons and to feel protected. Same women also wanted a muscular, tall man and would get very excited/boast about the prospect of him battering another man in a fight.

    Apparently, there is also a Horsepill.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I've come to the conclusion from this thread that incels are probably secretly gay and they are unhappy about it. They idolise Chad as he is hot. They also hate him as he is almost unattainable. The reasons he is unattainable is that 90% date Stacys as they are not gay, and the other 10% are a minority of the available gay guys. They also stare at other mens penises, and try to calculate how big they are through their pants.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Not really. Just people who are feeling so sorry for themselves that they don’t see that the world is full of opportunity.



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