Random Wrestling Thoughts (Part 2)

What was the crowd like for the Cena vs Rock at Wrestlemania match? Against Cena or more balanced?

I was at both Rock vs. Cena matches - the first one in Miami just blew the NY/NJ one out of the water - crowd was amazing start to finish and slightly delaying the Rock's entrance lead to an almighty pop!

Raw the next night was amazing too - YES! chants the entire night (start of the "movement") opened with the Rock and closed with the return of Lesnar - incredible

Cena comes in and feuds with Roman who doesn't need the rub.

Edge comes back and feuds with Orton & Seth two guys that don't need the rub.

Goldberg comes back and feuds with guys that don't need the rub.

Brock comes back and feuds with guys that don't need the rub.

Every WWE legend that comes back feuds with some who doesn't need the rub.

Ok one exception is Rey comes back to give his son the rub.

Jericho gets over every young talent he works with.

Christian comes back and aligns with Jungle Boy.

Miro as TNT champions wrestlers the younger talent.

Sting and Punk align with Allin.

Mox & Kingston feud with Garica & 2.0

Brodie Lee came in and aligned with young talent to take under his wing..

Matt Hardy comes in and takes young talent under his wing.

Random thought: You don't get over in WWE, you are chosen to get over in WWE.

Take Edge for example, I randomly stuck on a RAW from November 12th 2001 and Angle opens the show. He does the usual long opening promo of the day and out comes babyface Edge complete with his Rob Zombie music, challenges Angle to a US championship match right there and then and beats Angle for the title. Thing is that Edge was always being booked to get over.

Gangrel has came out and said that from the very start he was told that The Brood was designed to get Edge over. Right from the start. It's actually mental to look back (as I never knew this until recently) but Edge's original character was Blade. Hence the fast cut vignettes like the movie. Hence the whole vampire thing lol. But I digress...

So right from the bat WWE had big plans for Edge creating a gimmick and faction for him to feud with an overcome. He would later become King of the ring in 2001, he would beat angle as aforementioned to win the us title, he would beat test at Survivor Series 2001 to merge the US title with the IC title, of course the famous TLC matches with Christian, he would tag with Hulk Hogan... WWE did everything to make him a star. But it wasn't until the whole Matt Hardy thing that things would stick.

From the very start this man was booked to always be a big player. There was no 'ah sure, he isn't getting over lets go with someone else' - they constantly tried to position Edge as a main event player. But then again, is that really shocking in a predetermined sport? The best of the best wont necessarily rise to the top. Those who are deemed the best and the future will.

Only ones I could see jumping are any that are only interested in money or ones who haven't got a contract yet but have been working for them for a while.

But can't think of anyone just in it for the money, not even HFO. :)

Probably just cares about cashing his cheque at this point.

I never thought I'd be saying this but credit where credit is due these skits WWE are doing with Baron Corbin are actually pretty good. Corbin is entertaining.

Just watching the live channel on the network where it’s showing a nearly five hour collection of Lesnars best matches and they had the mania 30 match with taker just on and I know we found out how badly taker was hurt after the fact but maybe I’d forgotten it but taker took forever to even stand up in the ring and then walk up the ramp. Btw their first meeting in 2002 inside hell in a cell is on now. 2002 brock was such a beast.

No waivers - the expectation going in is that you know what you're getting into pretty much. I've been to a lot of these shows including a few CZW Cage of Death events/BJW in Tokyo, I normally wear glasses or something in the front row and know to get out the way when they approach. Typically if something happens the fan will be offered free merch as a kinda "dont sue us" deal.

Its massively over produced. From the constant 3d graphics, to the commentators and talent reading from a script, to the almost zero storytelling, to the 50 50 booking where no one goes over to the vomit enducing camera cuts, to the WWE speak for everything, to..... i could keep going.

The only thing WWE have going is the talent themselves and they go out of their way to hinder most talent from becoming stars even though they are desperate for stars to be made.

As odd as it sounds, I wish more wrestlers were as hostile and less fearful of confrontation as Matt Riddle. He'll talk shít about anyone. We all know it's fake but it adds a little wrinkle of reality into things.

He had well-publicised heat with Rollins and Goldberg. A couple of years ago he put down all the old WCW guys (hilariously, in my opinion)...

And now he got in trouble for comments on Roman...

Sounds like Roman had a little whinge. I hope Riddle keeps upsetting people.

I think Riddle saying "I could beat him up in a real fight" is a moronic thing to say personally. It doesn't make me think highly of anyone involved all it does is say, this is all fake but if it was real I'd be very tough, which sounds pretty pathetic.

Who was the actual president of talent relations in WWE back in the day. Was it Vince? J.R. (later Johnny Ace) was the vice-president of talent relations despite apparently doing all the actual work in that area. Always thought that was a bit of an odd way to work things, but maybe it had something to do with fudging the books or something.

Something different? I mean it's something different because you're not meant to draw attention to it. Breaking the established reality of the 'show' ruins the immersion in the product. Saying it in general would be dumb but saying it about the biggest champion in the company is even more stupid. If he hadn't said 'real fight' it would be a bit more acceptable.

It's just not a very smart thing to do, I don't mind when Riddle shoots his mouth from time to time but that was a moronic thing to say. I don't think it would have been from a script anyway as I'm pretty sure it was in an interview. Ronda said some comments like that previously and they didn't go down well either.

I'm not sure we even know that it's Roman as I could see anyone in the company being annoyed at his comments and in my opinion rightfully so.