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Does the Irish Times have a future?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail



    Here, we see well-meaning people arguing that criticism of the persistent and measurable failure of our primary and secondary education system for boys is simply an anti-feminist position. It also fails girls on certain topics, including maths. And some of the root causes are cultural rather than the fault of the education system itself. Real topics are complicated and have complicated solutions.

    Perhaps it is, as suggested, simply a disingenuous talking point for the person who raised it here. This is why I no longer engage with such discussions: the internet is so polarised that reasonable conversation is impossible. I pity the journalists whose careers can be on the line when they discuss these things. I just subscribed for the first time to the IT, so at least someone is talking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Or ageing simply provides context for why he might need to live with his daughter. We can all search for malice if we wish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Economics101


    On some issues, such as immigration, asylum seekers and direct provision, the Irish Times gives a totally one-sided "woke" view. If you look at an ongoing Boards thread on DP, then the contributors live on a different planet from the Irish Times contributors. I am not trying to make any strong arguments on these issues: my main point is about the one-sided, closed mind attitude of the Irish Times.

    There was a time when the IT had Dail and Seanad reports which some extracts from parliamentary questions and summaries of contributions of principal speakers in debates. Now it's just Miriam Lord, who I don't find particularly funny and who just trivialises an important aspect of political life. I'd hate to go into politics, just to get sneered at by la Lord



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The Independent was founded by the heinous WM Murphy maybe read The Cork Examiner.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Sgt Hartman


    On a lighter note, is that awfully bland Doonesbury cartoon still published daily in it?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,651 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I agree with you in general, but to be fair to the Irish Times, it did have some articles on the illegal immigration by bogus asylum-seekers from Albania and Georgia.

    However, the majority of pieces are for illegal immigration.



  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]




  • Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    As far as I know the IT is doing ok online in particular. I haven't read it for years although it was a staple growing up in my house.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I thought woke was alert to real and imagined injustices no?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    "Husband not getting along with the inlaws"

    I am SHOCKED 😀





  • Big uptake in their online subscription service. Which is good to see. Strong and impartial journalism is a cornerstone of democracy.

    I didn't renew it last year as I decided to go with The Currency instead, and I already had a sub with the Indo and my local paper. The Currency is doing some brilliant work at the moment. Proper deep investigative journalism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    I think every newspaper is at risk since gen z reads news online , the sales of physical papers are falling . The guardian is competing with 1000s of free websites social media tik Tok YouTube its been asking for donations for years reporting on politics and current affairs is expensive and not covered by advertising the guardian can't just run articles based on celeb gossip and images of sexy celebs taken from social media like the daily mail

    It's audience are Liberal middle class highly educated people newspapers have Paywalls and subscriptions

    70 per cent of subs are received by the new York Times or the wall street journal



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    With the number of subscribers growing, the IT definitely has a future, that's not in doubt. It took a lot of media companies a long time to move away from the online free model, even though it never worked for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    The Irish Times is far too impeccably middle class to ever go far left or support the likes of SF


    It's for people who adore Michael D or Mary Robinson or Colm o Gorman but like a nice comfortable view when they look out their window, in that sense, it's thoroughly establishment



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Marcos


    The self styled "paper of record" is nothing of the sort. Maybe people here don't remember their disgraceful behaviour 10 years ago with the Kate Fitzgerald scandal, crudely altering an article that she wrote talking about depression in the workplace before her death. Afterwards, once it became clear that her employers were the Communications Clinic, run by Terry Prone the online article was changed to remove any reference to the Communications Clinic. Much to the dismay of her parents who backed every word that Kate wrote. The only organ that covered the story in depth was broadsheet.ie. All other publications kept silent and looked the other way. As Tom Fitzgerald her father said when he asked why there was almost complete silence on the subject, he was told that in Irish media "one hand washes the other." The Irish Times eventually apologised to her family for their actions.

    Irish media is a small world where everyone knows each other and many journalists are embedded with politicians and the establishment. They socialise together and work in tandem with each other planting stories in the media that are basically glorified press releases. Journalists know that if they play ball then there is the chance of a well paid gig as government special adviser down the line. Look at how many ex journalists are now government adivsers? Because of this most journalists are unlikely to bring up anything that will cause establishment figures any discomfort. Look at how no journalist is trying to get a full list of those who attended Catherine Zappone's shindig in the Merrion Hotel, was there anyone from the Irish Times there? So any stories that will be broken are more likely to be broken by foreign owned publication who have a different editorial line to locally owned papers like the Indo did until D'OB was ousted.

    Like other posters have said, if you want your safe space, then the Irish Times is for you, if you want to read investigative journalism that's likely to break stories then look elsewhere. The Sunday Times has broken stories that the likes of the Irish Times has avoided, it's also cheaper at €9.99 a month. This isn't an ad for them, but that's who I subscribed to. I haven't seen the currency yet, but I'll take a look and see. Does anyone have any other recommendations?

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭tdf7187


    Agreed. Including on the vastly overrated Miriam Lord.



  • Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭Historybluff


    I think the Irish Times does have a future. It's still the best newspaper in the county, in my opinion. Some posters here have objected to the newspaper's liberal-left ideology. Fair enough, but it's the paper's right to have whatever ideology it wants. And not every opinion writer on the paper is liberal-left: Pat Leahy, Stephen Collins, Brenda O'Brien, and Cliff Taylor, to name a few, seem quite centrist, if not centre-right to me. Anyway, more centrist or centre-right papers like the Irish Independent, the Irish Examiner, or the Sunday Times might prove more congenial for disgruntled posters.

    I agree though that there has been a decline in quality in the Times over the last five to ten years. I keep meaning to compare an issue of the paper with an issue on the same date twenty, maybe thirty years ago, just to see the difference between them. I think you'd find that there's a lot more opinion pieces in the paper nowadays and a lot less straight-forward factual reporting. That's a trend evident throughout the media globally unfortunately. An opinion-piece writer costs a newspaper a lot less than a journalist stationed in, say, Afghanistan. There's nothing wrong with opinion pieces per se, as events, trends etc. need to be analyzed to be understood properly. However, the quantity can be overwhelming. The content of those opinion pieces is a different matter.

    And then there's the business model behind newspapers. As some posters have already mentioned, they have suffered badly from the rise of internet. A lot of the advertising that used to help fill newspaper coffers has migrated online. And, with younger people are less likely to read newspapers than older generations, their customer base is shrinking. Hence, I think, newspapers feel that to survive they have to attract as many readers as possible by having 'something for everyone in the audience'. As well as covering current affairs, business, and sport, they often have supplements on health, fashion, general lifestyle stuff etc. (I sometimes think the Irish Independent is a lifestyle publication with some current affairs attached.) And they give coverage to things that they would previously have dismissed as trivial nonsense, like celebrities and TV shows.

    Overall, though, the Times is a good paper.



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