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Does the Irish Times have a future?



  • Here, we see well-meaning people arguing that criticism of the persistent and measurable failure of our primary and secondary education system for boys is simply an anti-feminist position. It also fails girls on certain topics, including maths. And some of the root causes are cultural rather than the fault of the education system itself. Real topics are complicated and have complicated solutions.

    Perhaps it is, as suggested, simply a disingenuous talking point for the person who raised it here. This is why I no longer engage with such discussions: the internet is so polarised that reasonable conversation is impossible. I pity the journalists whose careers can be on the line when they discuss these things. I just subscribed for the first time to the IT, so at least someone is talking.

  • Or ageing simply provides context for why he might need to live with his daughter. We can all search for malice if we wish.

  • The Independent was founded by the heinous WM Murphy maybe read The Cork Examiner.

  • On a lighter note, is that awfully bland Doonesbury cartoon still published daily in it?

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  • I agree with you in general, but to be fair to the Irish Times, it did have some articles on the illegal immigration by bogus asylum-seekers from Albania and Georgia.

    However, the majority of pieces are for illegal immigration.

  • As far as I know the IT is doing ok online in particular. I haven't read it for years although it was a staple growing up in my house.

  • I thought woke was alert to real and imagined injustices no?

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  • "Husband not getting along with the inlaws"

    I am SHOCKED 😀

  • Big uptake in their online subscription service. Which is good to see. Strong and impartial journalism is a cornerstone of democracy.

    I didn't renew it last year as I decided to go with The Currency instead, and I already had a sub with the Indo and my local paper. The Currency is doing some brilliant work at the moment. Proper deep investigative journalism.

  • I think every newspaper is at risk since gen z reads news online , the sales of physical papers are falling . The guardian is competing with 1000s of free websites social media tik Tok YouTube its been asking for donations for years reporting on politics and current affairs is expensive and not covered by advertising the guardian can't just run articles based on celeb gossip and images of sexy celebs taken from social media like the daily mail

    It's audience are Liberal middle class highly educated people newspapers have Paywalls and subscriptions

    70 per cent of subs are received by the new York Times or the wall street journal

  • With the number of subscribers growing, the IT definitely has a future, that's not in doubt. It took a lot of media companies a long time to move away from the online free model, even though it never worked for them.

  • The Irish Times is far too impeccably middle class to ever go far left or support the likes of SF

    It's for people who adore Michael D or Mary Robinson or Colm o Gorman but like a nice comfortable view when they look out their window, in that sense, it's thoroughly establishment

  • Agreed. Including on the vastly overrated Miriam Lord.

  • I think the Irish Times does have a future. It's still the best newspaper in the county, in my opinion. Some posters here have objected to the newspaper's liberal-left ideology. Fair enough, but it's the paper's right to have whatever ideology it wants. And not every opinion writer on the paper is liberal-left: Pat Leahy, Stephen Collins, Brenda O'Brien, and Cliff Taylor, to name a few, seem quite centrist, if not centre-right to me. Anyway, more centrist or centre-right papers like the Irish Independent, the Irish Examiner, or the Sunday Times might prove more congenial for disgruntled posters.

    I agree though that there has been a decline in quality in the Times over the last five to ten years. I keep meaning to compare an issue of the paper with an issue on the same date twenty, maybe thirty years ago, just to see the difference between them. I think you'd find that there's a lot more opinion pieces in the paper nowadays and a lot less straight-forward factual reporting. That's a trend evident throughout the media globally unfortunately. An opinion-piece writer costs a newspaper a lot less than a journalist stationed in, say, Afghanistan. There's nothing wrong with opinion pieces per se, as events, trends etc. need to be analyzed to be understood properly. However, the quantity can be overwhelming. The content of those opinion pieces is a different matter.

    And then there's the business model behind newspapers. As some posters have already mentioned, they have suffered badly from the rise of internet. A lot of the advertising that used to help fill newspaper coffers has migrated online. And, with younger people are less likely to read newspapers than older generations, their customer base is shrinking. Hence, I think, newspapers feel that to survive they have to attract as many readers as possible by having 'something for everyone in the audience'. As well as covering current affairs, business, and sport, they often have supplements on health, fashion, general lifestyle stuff etc. (I sometimes think the Irish Independent is a lifestyle publication with some current affairs attached.) And they give coverage to things that they would previously have dismissed as trivial nonsense, like celebrities and TV shows.

    Overall, though, the Times is a good paper.